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Pursuing AB69, Castle Doctrine

M

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Yep, I reember it too. Born and raised in Racine... Was living there when it happend. Thats how come I knew it happend there.

Not living there anymore...

Outdoorsman

thanks alot Outdoorsman. go ahead, leave me here, all alone, no cheeseburgers.......just me.....and them.
 

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AB69 revisions

Latest proposal

edited correct link is in Davegran;s welcome below. Note to self check before posting lol !!

895.62Use of force in response to unlawful and forcible entry into a
3dwelling, motor vehicle, or place of business; civil liability immunity.(1)
 
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Thank you

Well, I sure did my first post wrong lol! i had a couple pages open and pasted wrong one. thanks for the welcome and catching my error
 

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thanks alot Outdoorsman. go ahead, leave me here, all alone, no cheeseburgers.......just me.....and them.

Me and mine (firearms) are just a phone call (and 40 minutes) away... and besides, you and yours (firearms ad loved ones) are welcome out to the lake anytime...

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Welcome to the forum! Actually, the latest amendment is AB69-ASA2.

This reads ok.. I have not been following this bill from the start, but this version extends the protection to the vehicle or "the actor's" place of business and say's the deadly force can be used to protect another person other than youself.... Good things,,

It still makes no mention of the "draw your firearm" thing discussed in this thread or what I would like to see added is the "Stand Your Ground" thing that would extend the protection afforded in this bill to wherever you (legally) happend to be....

I will be contacting my Reps. as to the above additions....

Antoher thing that is a little confusing.. "the actor has to already be on the premises, or in the vehicle or place of business" .. I suppose this just means that the use of deadly force cannot be used if the actor is off of his property, out of his vehicle, and not in his place of business....

So far I think itis looking pretty good....

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AS i will also

be contacting my Reps. as to the above additions.... i have been working with my represenative on the bill by communicating. I have lurked here a long time reading and then sending thoughts of the majority to my rep. that being said it is time to get on the ball and let them know what we would like as the citizens of Wisconsin.

carry Open and carry on....
 

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be contacting my Reps. as to the above additions.... i have been working with my represenative on the bill by communicating. I have lurked here a long time reading and then sending thoughts of the majority to my rep. that being said it is time to get on the ball and let them know what we would like as the citizens of Wisconsin.

carry Open and carry on....
Thank you for your activism; I hope we'll see you at some of our activities. How far north of Madison are you?
 

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This reads ok.. I have not been following this bill from the start, but this version extends the protection to the vehicle or "the actor's" place of business and say's the deadly force can be used to protect another person other than youself.... Good things,,

It still makes no mention of the "draw your firearm" thing discussed in this thread or what I would like to see added is the "Stand Your Ground" thing that would extend the protection afforded in this bill to wherever you (legally) happend to be....

I will be contacting my Reps. as to the above additions....

Antoher thing that is a little confusing.. "the actor has to already be on the premises, or in the vehicle or place of business" .. I suppose this just means that the use of deadly force cannot be used if the actor is off of his property, out of his vehicle, and not in his place of business....

So far I think itis looking pretty good....

Outdoorsman1

when this bill first came up, I emailed my rep about expanding to vehicle, business and stand your ground statute be added.... 2 out of 3, but #3 is a biggy
 

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not far enough lol !

Thank you for your activism; I hope we'll see you at some of our activities. How far north of Madison are you?
about 12 miles north. I do have a lot on my plate. I am pretty active in contacting our elected officials. always have been. I do not post much as reading is learning for me. that is after i discard out the quesitons that have been asked a million times :) as for meeting yes, there is a possibility of that, but i have to wait until i can carry concealed as i do not want to lose my job for being in a GFZ heh !
 

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IMPORTANT INFO - Just Got A Call From My Rep...

Ok, After my contacting my Rep. Samantha Kerkman regaring this issue, I just got a phone call from her office...

She had made some calls regarding my concerns and found out that the Aug. 4th date has been pushed up to Aug. 18th. Apparently this time is needed as the authors are in the process of drafting the newest version that remoces the word "Privilege" as in defence is a constitutional right and not a privilege and the new version will INCLUDE STAND YOUR GROUND......

:banana: :banana: :banana:

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It appears that the new amendment
ASSEMBLY AMENDMENT 1,
TO ASSEMBLY SUBSTITUTE AMENDMENT 2,
TO 2011 ASSEMBLY BILL 69
August 2, 2011 - Offered by Representative Craig.

At the locations indicated, amend the substitute amendment as follows:
1. Page 3, line 18: after that line insert:
"(3m) If sub. (2) (a) or (b) applies, the finder of fact may not consider whether
the actor had an opportunity to flee or retreat before he or she used force.".
after that line insert:
"(au) If par. (ar) 1. or 2. applies, the finder of fact may not consider whether the
actor had an opportunity to flee or retreat before he or she used force.".
(End)
is a "no retreat" provision so investigators don't have to even consider whether or not you had a chance to flee or retreat without using deadly force. We still need Stand Your Ground language
Florida's Statute Section 776.013:

[SIZE=-1]"(3) [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."[/SIZE]
to give us protection from frivolous lawsuits wherever we have to defend ourselves against a violent criminal.
 

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We still need Stand Your Ground language to give us protection from frivolous lawsuits wherever we have to defend ourselves against a violent criminal.

Phewww... knock it off with all the formatting and colors will you?

Montana was considering a law that would make the DA responsible to pay for attorney costs on charges that didn't stick. Can you imagine the ramifications if our DA's were held accountable in that fashion?
 

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It appears that the new amendmentis a "no retreat" provision so investigators don't have to even consider whether or not you had a chance to flee or retreat without using deadly force. We still need Stand Your Ground languageto give us protection from frivolous lawsuits wherever we have to defend ourselves against a violent criminal.

This is ASSEMBLY AMENDMENT 1, TO ASSEMBLY SUBSTITUTE AMENDMENT 2, TO AB69.

The thing is that ASSEMBLY SUBSTITUTE AMENDMENT 1 is dead and so is ASSEMBLY SUBSTITUTE AMENDMENT 2.

ASSEMBLY SUBSTITUTE AMENDMENT 3 will be brought up for a vote on 8/18/11 in the Exective Session of the Assembly Judiciary and Ethics Committee. And we have not even seen ASSEMBLY SUBSTITUTE AMENDMENT 3 to AB69 yet. It may have the language of Rep. Craigs ammendment in it.
 

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That isn't the way it looks here.

An "ammendment" changes the language in a specific bill. A "substitute ammendment" completely replaces ALL the language. By the virtue that Assembly Substitute Ammendment 2 was introduced the day after Assembly Substitute Ammendment 1 was introduced indicates ASA1-AB69 will never be heard/read and is threfore dead. Now that they pushed back the Executive Session to 8/11 because they are still working on changes tells me that ASA2-AB69 is similarily dead because all the changes that they are making will be introduced as ASA3-AB69.

All ammendments and substitute ammendments that are introduced for a bill, stay in it's history. They can be tabled or passed, or there may never be a motion to have it heard/read. Regardless, they stay in the history of the bill.
 
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Quote from my post above (after hearing from my Rep.)

She had made some calls regarding my concerns and found out that the Aug. 4th date has been pushed up to Aug. 18th. Apparently this time is needed as the authors are in the process of drafting the newest version that remoces the word "Privilege" as in defence is a constitutional right and not a privilege and the new version will INCLUDE STAND YOUR GROUND......

BROKENSPROKET said..

An "ammendment" changes the language in a specific bill. A "substitute ammendment" completely replaces ALL the language. By the virtue that Assembly Substitute Ammendment 2 was introduced the day after Assembly Substitute Ammendment 1 was introduced indicates ASA1-AB69 will never be heard/read and is threfore dead. Now that they pushed back the Executive Session to 8/11 because they are still working on changes tells me that ASA2-AB69 is similarily dead because all the changes that they are making will be introduced as ASA3-AB69.

All ammendments and substitute ammendments that are introduced for a bill, stay in it's history. They can be tabled or passed, or there may never be a motion to have it heard/read. Regardless, they stay in the history of the bill.

Basically saying the same thing only BROKENSPROKET said it in a much more specific way related to the issue being discussed...

Thank you for putting it into words that I could not...

Outdoorsman1
 

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BROKENSPROKET said..



Basically saying the same thing only BROKENSPROKET said it in a much more specific way related to the issue being discussed...

Thank you for putting it into words that I could not...

Outdoorsman1

I have watched way too much Wis-EYE. A year ago, everyting I knew about law-making could be summed up in Schoolhouse Rock's - I'M JUST A BILL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ
 

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I have watched way too much Wis-EYE. A year ago, everyting I knew about law-making could be summed up in Schoolhouse Rock's - I'M JUST A BILL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ

I have learned a lot just reading in here... A year ago I wrote down all what I knew about law-making on a peice of paper, but then I needed to send a peice of mail so I licked the peice of paper and put it in the upper right hand corner of the envelope and dropped it in the mailbox....

Outdoorsman1
 
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