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When Sgt Grabolski met me in the lobby, I handed her my firearm still in holster. She put it into the armory while we had our meeting. During the meeting I gave her a copy of the state preemption law. She said she was unaware and had never seen that law and would forward it to the legal dept.

My opinion is that the legal department doesn't care what the law says because the pre-emption law has no teeth. I am curious if anyone has any experience with the writ of Mandamus procedure... I would like to get a writ to force the State Police to issue me my permit since it has been over 30 days, and I would like to get a writ to force the City of Portland to stop enforcing it's illegal rules and erase the illegal laws.

I don't know what they have against you. I was let in with my firearm to meet with her.

 

[davidmcbeth]

You should get other residents around to shut down the station...what do they need a station for - they should be out working.

 

[boyscout399]

I don't know what they have against you. I was let in with my firearm to meet with her.

Perhaps because I went earlier and showed her the statute?

 

[Grapeshot]

Perhaps because I went earlier and showed her the statute?

That was my thought precisely.

 

[davidmcbeth]

Well not a real police station, but...

I swung by the Air Base in Bangor today and met briefly with the Chief of Security Police there.

He told me to just inform the gate guard I had a fire arm and leave it in the car when I visit the BX or Commissary, etc. So now if one of the "troops" gives me some static I can tell them to call their Chief to get the real skinny.

I'm guessing my MAINEiacs Retiree hat might have helped things along too, that and the fact I used to ride with the former Chief on patrol. :banana:

The whole point is that I went proactive in making first contact.

Airmen have nothing to fear from marines ... that's why they let you carry.

See they still have KC135's in service there ... nice 50 yr old aircraft ..

 

[Maine Expat]

What marines Dave? Its an AIR base where I retired from. They're all Air Guard folks, but maybe the odd Marine is in there who jumped the fence.

Yeah 135s and they just transitioned to R models. If the mechanics didn't do such a great job keeping those old birds air worthy and sparkly clean maybe would have got new tankers by now.

 

[SPOProds]

Orono PD has a sign that says "no firearms or weapons beyond this point" it is on the entrance door. I noticed this when I went to apply for my CC permit. I will be fighting this soon due to the preemption law. Any advice on fighting this. I will be going to take a picture in the morning then email Capt. Ewing about this. I am new to Maine(about a month) and am already invested in the fight. I have been a long time reader on the CT OC board but never posted much. I also have done a ton of work in changing the policies of PDs in CT for OC and pistol permit requirements.

 

[davidmcbeth]

What marines Dave? Its an AIR base where I retired from. They're all Air Guard folks, but maybe the odd Marine is in there who jumped the fence.

Yeah 135s and they just transitioned to R models. If the mechanics didn't do such a great job keeping those old birds air worthy and sparkly clean maybe would have got new tankers by now.

You were in the air guard? Ha, Rickenbacker ...

 

[boyscout399]

Orono PD has a sign that says "no firearms or weapons beyond this point" it is on the entrance door. I noticed this when I went to apply for my CC permit. I will be fighting this soon due to the preemption law. Any advice on fighting this. I will be going to take a picture in the morning then email Capt. Ewing about this. I am new to Maine(about a month) and am already invested in the fight. I have been a long time reader on the CT OC board but never posted much. I also have done a ton of work in changing the policies of PDs in CT for OC and pistol permit requirements.

Send an email to the chief of police and the city manager/mayor/selectmen/chairmen or whatever. Inform them that their policy is in violation of state law and provide them with the statute. Request a written reply as to the actions taken. Then next time you have business there, open carry and bring a copy of the law.

 

[SPOProds]

Send an email to the chief of police and the city manager/mayor/selectmen/chairmen or whatever. Inform them that their policy is in violation of state law and provide them with the statute. Request a written reply as to the actions taken. Then next time you have business there, open carry and bring a copy of the law.

I have already sent an email to the Captain, not sure if there is a Chief. Capt. Ewing is a great guy and has helped me with things in the past. I sent him a politely worded email letting him know of the statute. I lost my application so I have to pick another one up. At that time I will be OCing and will enter the building. If I am arrested a civil suit will follow. I did not think about emailing the mayor but will do that upon hearing from Capt. Ewing.

 

[Grapeshot]

I have already sent an email to the Captain, not sure if there is a Chief. Capt. Ewing is a great guy and has helped me with things in the past. I sent him a politely worded email letting him know of the statute. I lost my application so I have to pick another one up. At that time I will be OCing and will enter the building. If I am arrested a civil suit will follow. I did not think about emailing the mayor but will do that upon hearing from Capt. Ewing.

Of course there is a chief:
http://police.orono.org/staff/

[h=3] Gary Duquette [/h] Chief of Police

[h=3] Josh Ewing [/h] Captain

[h=3] Jessica Mason [/h] Administrative Assistant

 

[SPOProds]

Of course there is a chief:
http://police.orono.org/staff/

[h=3] Gary Duquette [/h] Chief of Police

[h=3] Josh Ewing [/h] Captain

[h=3] Jessica Mason [/h] Administrative Assistant

Good to know. My first contact with the department was throught the "contact us" form and Capt. Ewing responded. I will see what his response is and go from there. If the Chief needs to be contacted, i'm sure he will be told of my e-mail, or if the Mayor needs to be contacted. This will be fixed however. I should've done more research on the department's administration, dropped the ball slightly. However, Capt. Ewing is a good man and officer and should sort this out. Will keep everyone updated. I'm sure I will receive some type of response when he gets in this morning.

ETA: here is a copy of the email I sent. Any advice or job well done?

Capt. Ewing,
I do not mean to be an a pain. However, when I went to pick up my CC permit application I noticed a sign on the door that said no firearms or weapons beyond this point. I was wondering if you were aware of Maine's preemption law, MRSA 252-A? That states no municipality shall enact stricter firearm's laws than the state. Based on this statute, your department cannot ban firearms inside it's doors. You do have the right to ban all other weapons except for firearms. I would like to work with you on changing this. I don't want this to be taken as an accusation that your department is not complying with the law on purpose. I know several other stations were unaware of this and have fixed their signs to correspond with the preemption statute. Under Maine law the sign currently holds no weight as per current law only "liquor establishments that allow on site consumtion" are allowed to post no firearms signage. Thank you for your time. You have been helpful in the past and I hope this email does not infringe on our "relationship".

I tried to keep it civil.

 

[Grapeshot]

Good to know. My first contact with the department was throught the "contact us" form and Capt. Ewing responded. I will see what his response is and go from there. If the Chief needs to be contacted, i'm sure he will be told of my e-mail, or if the Mayor needs to be contacted. This will be fixed however. I should've done more research on the department's administration, dropped the ball slightly. However, Capt. Ewing is a good man and officer and should sort this out. Will keep everyone updated. I'm sure I will receive some type of response when he gets in this morning.

ETA: here is a copy of the email I sent. Any advice or job well done?

Capt. Ewing,
I do not mean to be an a pain. However, when I went to pick up my CC permit application I noticed a sign on the door that said no firearms or weapons beyond this point. I was wondering if you were aware of Maine's preemption law, MRSA 252-A? That states no municipality shall enact stricter firearm's laws than the state. Based on this statute, your department cannot ban firearms inside it's doors. You do have the right to ban all other weapons except for firearms. I would like to work with you on changing this. I don't want this to be taken as an accusation that your department is not complying with the law on purpose. I know several other stations were unaware of this and have fixed their signs to correspond with the preemption statute. Under Maine law the sign currently holds no weight as per current law only "liquor establishments that allow on site consumtion" are allowed to post no firearms signage. Thank you for your time. You have been helpful in the past and I hope this email does not infringe on our "relationship".

I tried to keep it civil.

That works.

Might have suggested a link to the law, but I'm sure that he or his councilor will find it.

I tend to be more succinct: On (date) I saw.... the statute is.......please advise me how you intend to correct....I may be reached at.......and I thank them in advance.

 

[boyscout399]

Good to know. My first contact with the department was throught the "contact us" form and Capt. Ewing responded. I will see what his response is and go from there. If the Chief needs to be contacted, i'm sure he will be told of my e-mail, or if the Mayor needs to be contacted. This will be fixed however. I should've done more research on the department's administration, dropped the ball slightly. However, Capt. Ewing is a good man and officer and should sort this out. Will keep everyone updated. I'm sure I will receive some type of response when he gets in this morning.

ETA: here is a copy of the email I sent. Any advice or job well done?

Capt. Ewing,
I do not mean to be an a pain. However, when I went to pick up my CC permit application I noticed a sign on the door that said no firearms or weapons beyond this point. I was wondering if you were aware of Maine's preemption law, MRSA 252-A? That states no municipality shall enact stricter firearm's laws than the state. Based on this statute, your department cannot ban firearms inside it's doors. You do have the right to ban all other weapons except for firearms. I would like to work with you on changing this. I don't want this to be taken as an accusation that your department is not complying with the law on purpose. I know several other stations were unaware of this and have fixed their signs to correspond with the preemption statute. Under Maine law the sign currently holds no weight as per current law only "liquor establishments that allow on site consumtion" are allowed to post no firearms signage. Thank you for your time. You have been helpful in the past and I hope this email does not infringe on our "relationship".

I tried to keep it civil.

You quoted the statute number wrong. That's the chapter, but it's not really that useful for finding the statute. The Statute is Title 25 Section 2011. Otherwise I think it looks all right.

 

[Maine Expat]

Yep, other than the wrong citation, you done good. Very well phrased.

 

[SPOProds]

Thank guys. Sorry for the statute misquote. It aspirated to me looking at the MRSA thats what the statute number was. Is much easier to read CTs CGS statute numbers. I remember this for the future.

 

[Grapeshot]

Thank guys. Sorry for the statute misquote. It exaspirated [strike]to[/strike] me looking at the MRSA thats what the statute number was. Is much easier to read CTs CGS statute numbers. I remember this for the future.

Fixed it for you - I'm sorry, but that was funny.

 

[SPOProds]

Fixed it for you - I'm sorry, but that was funny.

Lol it was suppose to be "appeared to me" using swype on my android it picked the wrong word haha

 

[SPOProds]

Just received my response from Orono PD's Capt. Ewing. He thanked me for bringing this to their attention and promised it would be fixed. I asked him to respond back with a plan of action and to let me know when the problem was corrected. will keep this updated as it goes along.