Out of towner new to OC in VA

[gis]

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TFred wrote:

gis wrote:

I can reply to that. When I was moving to Virginia, I asked the Michiagn State Police Firearms Unit what I needed to do, since I have more than a few guns. After doing a bit of checking they sad nothing, as Michigan law does not provide for unregistration except inspecific situations. So any guns (applies to handguns only) that were ever registered in Michagn will remain registered there forever, unlesstransfered to a Michigan FFL (has to report to state police) or another Michiagn resident (has to register with local police, which reports to the state). When someone moves and takes the gun with them or transfers to an FFL out of state, the Michigan registration is unaffected. The same is true, by the way, of Clark County Nevada, which years back required all visitors to register handguns, despite the fact thatI could carry on out of state credentials. I have a couple of handguns registered there. Sorry, perhaps this is more than you wanted to know.

I guess the moral of the story is... never move to Michigan!

TFred (native Virginian and very happy about that...)

I solved that problem by buying a bunch of guns here in Virginia that Michigan doesn't know about.

OK, I needed an excuse to tell my wife.:celebrate

 

[2a4all]

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gis wrote:

2a4all wrote:

When you moved from MI to VA, did you have to do anything about your registered firearms with MI, i.e. notify them that you've moved? As you've moved out of state, do they cancel your registration?


Just curious.

I can reply to that. When I was moving to Virginia, I asked the Michiagn State Police Firearms Unit what I needed to do, since I have more than a few guns. After doing a bit of checking they sad nothing, as Michigan law does not provide for unregistration except inspecific situations. So any guns (applies to handguns only) that were ever registered in Michagn will remain registered there forever, unlesstransfered to a Michigan FFL (has to report to state police) or another Michiagn resident (has to register with local police, which reports to the state). When someone moves and takes the gun with them or transfers to an FFL out of state, the Michigan registration is unaffected. The same is true, by the way, of Clark County Nevada, which years back required all visitors to register handguns, despite the fact thatI could carry on out of state credentials. I have a couple of handguns registered there. Sorry, perhaps this is more than you wanted to know.

Interesting. Were/are any of the guns you had to register in Nevada also registered in MI?

An interesting question to ask when purchasing a used handgun: "Has this gun ever been registered in any state?".


Does MI submitits registration lists to any federal agency (i.e. BATFE)?

 

[gis]

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2a4all wrote:

gis wrote:

2a4all wrote:

When you moved from MI to VA, did you have to do anything about your registered firearms with MI, i.e. notify them that you've moved? As you've moved out of state, do they cancel your registration?


Just curious.

I can reply to that. When I was moving to Virginia, I asked the Michiagn State Police Firearms Unit what I needed to do, since I have more than a few guns. After doing a bit of checking they sad nothing, as Michigan law does not provide for unregistration except inspecific situations. So any guns (applies to handguns only) that were ever registered in Michagn will remain registered there forever, unlesstransfered to a Michigan FFL (has to report to state police) or another Michiagn resident (has to register with local police, which reports to the state). When someone moves and takes the gun with them or transfers to an FFL out of state, the Michigan registration is unaffected. The same is true, by the way, of Clark County Nevada, which years back required all visitors to register handguns, despite the fact thatI could carry on out of state credentials. I have a couple of handguns registered there. Sorry, perhaps this is more than you wanted to know.

Interesting. Were/are any of the guns you had to register in Nevada also registered in MI?

An interesting question to ask when purchasing a used handgun: "Has this gun ever been registered in any state?".


Does MI submitits registration lists to any federal agency (i.e. BATFE)?

OK, quick history lesson here. Michigan has had handgun registration since 1929, which was before NY, CA, etc. It was officially caled a safety inspection, which was in place in order to subjectively keep concealable handguns out of the hands of those deemed not worty. Back then it was targering blacks, etc. Since about the 1970s the liberal forces in Michiagn have used this law to implement full-blown registration, and the actual safety inspection has been completely done away with last year. These days, with the exception of Detroit/Flint and nearby, most of Michigan isvery conservative. Despite a Democratic governor and both U.S. senators, the state legislature is passing primarily pro-gun legislation which the governor signs (unlike Kaine).

I don't know 100%, but I have never heard in all my years in law enforcement that the state shares anything with BATFE. I do know that the gun database has many many errors in it.

And, yes, two ofmy Glocks are registered in both Michigan and Clark County Nevada. My Glock 23 which is registered in both places is still my main carry pistol here in Virginia.

 

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Michigan legislature is actually discussing some legal form of doing away with the registration that we have had since 1929. Scaring some folks here that don't have concealed licenses because the registration is our default state permit and without one (if you aren't licensed to go concealed) you can't be within 1000 feet of a school because of the Federal Gun Free School Zones Act.

I think the grocery store thing I mentioned is just how many folks choose to interpret that grey area within the 51% rule that if you have a doubt leave it out. Most advise against becoming the case law case that solidifies the legal interpretation.

 

[virginiatuck]

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riverrat10k wrote:

Caution about NATIONAL FORESTS. See this thread. Very confusing.

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/45415.html

If you are here on business, you are probably good to go with jmelvins advice.

If you are here to vacation in the out-of-doors, some caution and more research may be the order of the day!

FYI: since you posted this link, that thread (the original post) has been edited and updated to include some preliminary summaries for each area, among other minor updates.

 

[gis]

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StingMP9 wrote:

Michigan legislature is actually discussing some legal form of doing away with the registration that we have had since 1929. Scaring some folks here that don't have concealed licenses because the registration is our default state permit and without one (if you aren't licensed to go concealed) you can't be within 1000 feet of a school because of the Federal Gun Free School Zones Act.

I think the grocery store thing I mentioned is just how many folks choose to interpret that grey area within the 51% rule that if you have a doubt leave it out. Most advise against becoming the case law case that solidifies the legal interpretation.

Sting,

People (both LEOs and civilians) tend to get confused. You mention several different thignsd here.

The MI registration card for your gun, which is no longer issued, by the way, since last year, is not a default carry permit for people without aCPL. Michigan law requires your handgun to be registered while you possess it, transport or open carry it without a CPL. It is a $500 civil infraction and a reason to pull/reject your concealed permit if you don't comply.

I do not believe that a handgun registration exempts you from carry within 1000 feet of a school. Only a carry permit does, and then we can argue whether a reciprocal one qualifies or not. At least that's how I would interpret the law as a LEO. I don't care about that law and have never enforced it (don't know anyone else who did), but if I had another reason to arrest you within 1000 feet of a school and you had a gun on you,I would certainly use this law for an additional chargewhether you gun was registered or not.

Lastly, the grocery store. I don't believe that this is a grey area at all. First of all the law says both "51%" and "consumption on premisses". How is that related to a grocery store? I think that this is a super-paranoid interpretation. I can imagine a self-important or uneducated LEO giving someone bad advise, but it doesn't make it so. I have had many conversations with prosecutors of at least four counties in SE Michigan about interpretations of concealed carry off-limits places. I can assure you that this one never came up.

 

[StingMP9]

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Well I OC'ed this weekend at the Kroger Gas pump Saturday evening on Rutgers in Roanoke near Hershberger and Sunday at Loves Gas on 81S between Salem and Wythville.