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OT: Renton Police Seek Felony Charges Against Cartoonist

Citizen

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I call it " Kid shite", get a grip or get another job. Didn't a bunch of iranian muslims chase a guy around because he drew a cartoon.

Now that would be a hilarious cartoon! Draw the female whiner-cops in mullah garb.

Oh! Oh! Wait a minute! I feel a caption contest coming on!

CAPTION CONTEST!

Three female cops in burkas with badges, the prosecutor is the mullah. Give me your best caption or dialogue for such a cartoon.
 

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This will be nasty & expensive for the cartoonist - sad`

Public figures have an infinitely low expectation of privacy, significantly higher burdens of proof to demonstrate libel, slander or invasion of privacy, and the smallest of ledges upon which to make their stand against critical comments, speeches, cartoons, lampoons, and any other form of expression regarding themselves in their professional capacity.

Trying to hitch their wagons on the "cyberstalking" law, which was most clearly NOT intended for this purpose, is ill-advised and IMHO a losing proposition.

But they will try. They will lean on the office of the prosecuting attorney and threaten to withdraw support, threaten "no confidence" votes and statements, and try to bully the prosecutor into anything they can. And will likely succeed.

Even though it's a losing case.

See, prosecutors can't get nailed for malicious prosecution unless it can be proven that the prosecution was initiated without probable cause.

They get to argue that because there's no precedent for a case like this, and because the alleged "criminal" behavior - posting the critical cartoons online - technically fits the largely-untested cyberstalking law, that there was probable cause to charge the offense...and, accordingly, they (prosecutors) are absolutely immune from charges of malicious prosecution.

The apparently crooked LEO's have found a way to get back at the cartoonist without any potential legal repercussions, and get their retaliation for free.

Meanwhile, the cartoonist has to pay a lawyer to fight for dismissal, and is punished financially for something that isn't a freaking crime in the first place.

The community needs to express its outrage at this nonsense, LOUDLY, and often.

Remember the folks who brought you these jerks, and vote for the other party next time.

Best wishes and hopes it doesn't ever come to fruition.
 

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Not sure how they're going to make this a felony

Cyberstalking is found in RCW 9.61.260 (link: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.61.260). It is a gross misdemeanor except under the following circumstances:

(3) Cyberstalking is a class C felony if either of the following applies:

(a) The perpetrator has previously been convicted of the crime of harassment, as defined in RCW 9A.46.060, with the same victim or a member of the victim's family or household or any person specifically named in a no-contact order or no-harassment order in this or any other state; or

(b) The perpetrator engages in the behavior prohibited under subsection (1)(c) of this section by threatening to kill the person threatened or any other person.

There is no provision that makes this into a felony just because the "victim" is a law enforcement officer. The only provision that does that is under the "ordinary" stalking statute, RCW 9A.46.110(5)(b)(v)(A) & (B), (link: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.46.110) which only applies in the case of retaliation for or an attempt to influence the officer's performance of their official duties.

Regardless of the merits, or not, of the claim that the "victims" are being harassed, intimidated, tormented or embarrassed, I'm not seeing felony cyberstalking here, nor does there appear to be any sort of "ordinary" stalking either.
 

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Structuring deposits, I believe its called.

I suppose they'll have to lower the threshold soon. After all the taxes they're going to pile on us, nobody's gonna have enough dough to meet the $10K threshold.

LOL, I was actually thinking the opposite. That they will have to raise it. If they keep increasing the "money" supply how much longer until $10,000 is just, dinner and a movie for a small family.
 

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what is even more disturbing to me than the fact the police are trying to tear down the 1st amendment, is that a JUDGE signed off on the warrant. Arent judges supposed to know law to be a judge? I guess we are to the point in US history where laws will just be made as we go along, and be damned with the constitution. I look at todays youth, which most could care less about what happens in politics as long as they have in style underwear to show off, and a bumpin bass. It reminds me of the movie Idiocracy.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...AB05E95248D7D5A9445CAB&view=detail&FORM=VIRE5

That movie is SO relevant right now it's scary.
 

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Somehow I think Renton PD is going to look like a bigger bunch of a-holes for pursuing this than if they'd just shut up and ignored.

Before this is over EVERYONE will know about their problems and they will probably loose after spending a bunch of taxpayer's money.

Now there's a law I could live with. One that spells out how the individuals within Government, that make dumbass decisions like this, could be held personally liable for the expenses they incur on behalf of the taxpayers.

Payroll deduction's OK by me.
 

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Structuring deposits, I believe its called.

I suppose they'll have to lower the threshold soon. After all the taxes they're going to pile on us, nobody's gonna have enough dough to meet the $10K threshold.

It's only structuring IF you are doing it with intent to evade taxes or hide illegally obtained funds.

Otherwise it's called.... doing business -- something that both republicans and democrats try to discourage in this country so they can ship more jobs to Asia, and so more corporations move their headquarters out of the good 'ol USofA.
 

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LOL, I was actually thinking the opposite. That they will have to raise it. If they keep increasing the "money" supply how much longer until $10,000 is just, dinner and a movie for a small family.

OMG! You're right. Anybody want to take bets on when $500 bills are in circulation again?
 

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Payroll deduction's OK by me.

NOT OK they would then have a job for life, oh thats right they mostly do alrerady :)

I have another take on payroll deductions too. By having employers take it out, the loss of income is never actually felt by the general public. I think that is exactly why it is structured that way.

I think if we are going to pay taxes it needs to be an individual responsibility to pay it. I bet the attitude toward it would change when people have to mail in their own quarterly checks to the government.

We might actually see some Boston Tea Party attitude toward paying taxes and people simply telling the gov. to "F" off.
 

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I have another take on payroll deductions too. By having employers take it out, the loss of income is never actually felt by the general public. I think that is exactly why it is structured that way.

I think if we are going to pay taxes it needs to be an individual responsibility to pay it. I bet the attitude toward it would change when people have to mail in their own quarterly checks to the government.

We might actually see some Boston Tea Party attitude toward paying taxes and people simply telling the gov. to "F" off.

Or we might see the return of official debtors prisons. I'm sure you're aware of how nasty the IRS can be when you don't pay them ENOUGH. can you imagine what they'd do when they didn't get paid AT ALL, most likely by those least able to afford to fight it?


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Or we might see the return of official debtors prisons. I'm sure you're aware of how nasty the IRS can be when you don't pay them ENOUGH. can you imagine what they'd do when they didn't get paid AT ALL, most likely by those least able to afford to fight it?


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And the outrage of the general public, for the man crashing down on the average worker....might be something we need to shake things up...
 

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I have another take on payroll deductions too. By having employers take it out, the loss of income is never actually felt by the general public. I think that is exactly why it is structured that way.

I think if we are going to pay taxes it needs to be an individual responsibility to pay it. I bet the attitude toward it would change when people have to mail in their own quarterly checks to the government.

We might actually see some Boston Tea Party attitude toward paying taxes and people simply telling the gov. to "F" off.

I dont know about others but it used to really tick me off that I was required to collect money for the goverment for free, I often entertained the thought that the goverment should pay every business for their time and effort to do the collections and process the payments. I also wondered if a suit similar to the suit Sheriff Mack brought against the fed would work, how can they require you to collect taxes and not pay you to do it.

The other one is why is a private business expected to do collections for child support, liens and bad debt, how exactly is the business responsable for others actions.

OK rant over.
 

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I dont know about others but it used to really tick me off that I was required to collect money for the goverment for free, I often entertained the thought that the goverment should pay every business for their time and effort to do the collections and process the payments. I also wondered if a suit similar to the suit Sheriff Mack brought against the fed would work, how can they require you to collect taxes and not pay you to do it.

The other one is why is a private business expected to do collections for child support, liens and bad debt, how exactly is the business responsable for others actions.

OK rant over.

Yeah, when the federal government compels a company or individual to collect taxes it is forcing them to work for free. I would love for them to explain how that does not violate the 13th amendment.
 

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Yeah, when the federal government compels a company or individual to collect taxes it is forcing them to work for free. I would love for them to explain how that does not violate the 13th amendment.

I had not thought of the 13th and involintary servitude but it sure fits.
 

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I have another take on payroll deductions too. By having employers take it out, the loss of income is never actually felt by the general public. I think that is exactly why it is structured that way.

I think if we are going to pay taxes it needs to be an individual responsibility to pay it. I bet the attitude toward it would change when people have to mail in their own quarterly checks to the government.

We might actually see some Boston Tea Party attitude toward paying taxes and people simply telling the gov. to "F" off.

Imagine what would happen in Washington DC if after finally getting so fed up with the BS, companies of all ilk, just simply quit sending in all the payroll taxes.....gov't employees would quit showing up if they weren't getting paid.....right sizing of gov't...problem solved.
 

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