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Online CHP Course Declined in Albemarle County

leprechaun117

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My buddy put in for his CHP just over 45 days ago, went down to the court house yesterday to see what the deal was. They told him that they couldn't find it, and they "think they may have given it to someone else." Needless to say, he wasn't very happy. The clerk called him back a few hours later to say that she found his application and it was sitting on the judges desk, waiting to be signed. He ended the evening relieved, hoping to get his permit today. He called this morning, the clerk said his safety course had been declined by the judge, and that the judge "would be making some phone calls to figure things out."

Is the acceptance of this course really just up to the individual judge? The certificate is signed by the instructor, and says "NRA Certified Instructor" under the signiture. The VSP site says "private or public institution or organization or firearms training school utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association". Seems to fit the description....

I've heard of people being declined due to this course, anyone have luck getting that reversed?
 

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leprechaun117 wrote:
My buddy put in for his CHP just over 45 days ago, went down to the court house yesterday to see what the deal was. They told him that they couldn't find it, and they "think they may have given it to someone else." Needless to say, he wasn't very happy. The clerk called him back a few hours later to say that she found his application and it was sitting on the judges desk, waiting to be signed. He ended the eveing relieved, hoping to get his permit today. He caled this morning, the clerk said his safety course had been declined by the judge, and that the judge "would be making some phone calls to figure things out."

Is the acceptance of this course really just up to the individual judge? The certificate is signed by the instructor, and says "NRA Certified Instructor" under the signiture. The VSP sait says "private or public institution or organization or firearms training school utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association". Seems to find the description....

I've heard of people being declined due to this course, anyone have luck getting that reversed?

OK, First, if the Judge did not deny the application, and send him a copy of the denial, your buddy needs to demand his de facto permit from the Clerk - Period. That;s the law. The Clerk must SEND him the de facto permit good for 45 days.
 

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He has not been fully declined yet, I told him to go demand his temporary permit, but he hasn't done so yet. He'll be calling VCDL in a bit to see what they recommend.

What's the process if it is actually declined? Lawyer up and visit the judge?
 

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Lonnie Wilson wrote:
Contact VCDL immediately, and if you haven't joined, join them.

Well, VCDL wasn't very helpful. Called the 804 number on their site, the guy said he wasn't familiar with the class or the situation, and that it didn't sound to him like it met the requirement. He did say to go to the clerks off and demand the temp permit though.

He's gonna swing by tomorrow morning and get the temp, assuming he doesn't get declined by then.
 

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leprechaun117 wrote:
Lonnie Wilson wrote:
Contact VCDL immediately, and if you haven't joined, join them.
Well, VCDL wasn't very helpful. Called the 804 number on their site, the guy said he wasn't familiar with the class or the situation, and that it didn't sound to him like it met the requirement. He did say to go to the clerks off and demand the temp permit though.

He's gonna swing by tomorrow morning and get the temp, assuming he doesn't get declined by then.

(emphasis added)

Maybe its just me; but I tend to be a little defensive of VCDL. So, I'm gonna play defense. Gently, in case Lep. didn't really mean anything by it.

Realize that VCDL is not really a free gun question help desk. The main point in contacting them in this case would be to REPORT a problem with permit issuance, say arbitrary/illegal refusal by a judge. This puts the problem on their radar. But you also have to be sure of the problem so your report is accurate. It looks like, just based on the OP, it is entirely possible the judge is trying to satisfy himselfwhether an on-line course meets the requirements. For all I know he may be trying to verify whether the course instructor is really NRA certified--I'm notsaying this isvalid; we just don't know what the judge is really doing.

I'm not entirely sure there was enough detail to be able to make a useful report to VCDL. I think the friend needs to ask the clerk for specifics on why the hold up, or just wait for permit or refusal before we can really have enough to go on.

Getting the temp. permit is a separate matter from the VCDL report on the certificate question. But, the call taker did offer that advice, which I assume was in fact helpful, even if it only confirmed what was already suggested here.



Separately, both Lep. and friend should join VCDL. Membership is literally less than the cost of the CHP--$25.
 

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I didn't intend to offend anyone. I'm aware of all that VCDL has done for gun owners, and am thankful for that. I guess my wording was a little harsh, I should have said "a quick call didn't provide much insight into a not yet devoloped problem."

I understand there may be a legitimate reason for the delay, although I'm sure the judge's research hasn't taken 50 days to complete. We'll see what happens tomorrow, hopefully the judge will be satisfied with the course and issue the permit.
 

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ProShooter wrote:
That is now the 3rd or 4thlocality that I have heard to deny the online course.

By my count...

Albemarle

Chesterfield

Nottoway

any others? I seem to remember somewhere in the HR area that denied the online course.

Hmmm.

You might pass that along to forum member VCDL President. There may be something developing. Any additional information as to the rationale for the denials might help.

They may not act on it until Spring, given that the General Assembly will be in session and VCDL will be very busy. Butthey might like tostart compiling the data.
 

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You can represent yourself and explain that the training met the requirements and that is should be accepted. Might not go anywhere, but at least you stood up and held them accountable.
 

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The people who stand to lose the most here are the ones who own and run the on-line training web site.

Perhaps if they are informed that a customer is getting grief, they will provide some support.

If it becomes public knowledge that their course does not meet the requirement, they would stand to lose a lot of business. I would think this possibility would motivate them to help in any way they can.

TFred
 

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I was talking to an acquaintance over the weekend who was going to take the class. I told him there were some localities who were not accepting it and it might be cheaper in the long run to take proshooters class.

To be honest, it sounds kind of stupid to take an online class. Kind of like getting your preachers certification online.
 

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leprechaun117 wrote:
He has not been fully declined yet, I told him to go demand his temporary permit, but he hasn't done so yet. He'll be calling VCDL in a bit to see what they recommend.

What's the process if it is actually declined? Lawyer up and visit the judge?
You are missing the point entirely - right now the Clerk of Court is breaking the law.
 

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Mike wrote:
You are missing the point entirely - right now the Clerk of Court is breaking the law.

+1

Long Live http://www.tinyurl.com/vachp!!! I have turned many people onto this site... not to complete their training.. but just so thay have the basics and don't point at others or put their finger on the trigger UNTIL they can take an in person professional course.
 

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ed wrote:
Mike wrote:
You are missing the point entirely - right now the Clerk of Court is breaking the law.

+1

Long Live http://www.tinyurl.com/vachp!!! I have turned many people onto this site... not to complete their training.. but just so thay have the basics and don't point at others or put their finger on the trigger UNTIL they can take an in person professional course.
Everybody's got to start somewhere!

Also for those with a good background, this is the quickest way that I know to satisfy the requirement if they do not have any other paper in hand.

Yata hey
 
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