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Often not discussed media aspects of suicides

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First, let's understand there are often multiple suicide triggers, including unrecognized and/or untreated mental health/psychiatric illness which leads an individual to engage in self-medicating themselves from their unrecognized/untreated MH issues. MH issues/substances are present in an estimated 90% of people who died by suicide.

Second, copycat suicide is a small, but troubling, phenomenon. Research suggests that at least 2% to 3% of all suicides fall into this category and that youth are at greatest risk.

These facts are not presented in media reporting!

The risk of contemplating suicide might escalate on the anniversary of the relevant disaster and the more details the media report about a specific suicide, the greater the risk that a vulnerable person might also consider taking his or her own life. that doesn't mean that the media shouldn't report the narrative, but minimizing the details of the event and recommended that suicides not be sensationalized or given prominence.

Another concedpt is to not over-memorialize a suicide as a vulnerable person may overreact to the outpouring of support and honor paid to the person who has died and in the wake of such tributes, an unstable person, possibly with a MH/substance issue, may see suicide as a way to garner the same accolades for themselves.

A group, the Action Alliance, has for the first time implored media Hollywood, etc., to change their portrayal of suicide in a reality based concept instead of strictly shock and awe:
Convey that suicide is complex and often caused by multiple factors

Portray characters with suicidal thoughts who do not go on to die by suicide

Avoid showing or describing the details about suicide methods

Use nonjudgmental language

Connect viewers to resources

Counseling resources normally after an event:
ARC

FEMA

Community resources.

Loved ones/friends need to be open to the signs of suicide which have been discussed on this forum several times.

[paraphrased from Three Suicides Tied to School Gun Violence: Experts Speak Out - Medscape - Apr 02, 2019.
 

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I think the problem goes deeper than that. How many mass shooting or suicides do you see females commit?

Most males with high testosterones lack emotional control, lack a mechanism to deal with their emotions. Lacks families/friends support structures.
Most female have learned and developed over thousands of years, a way for them to cope with stress and other compounding emotions. It's our male pride, get past that then society might be a better place with less suicides and 2A won't be used as an scapegoat.

 
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unfortunately FreedomVA, the thrust of my post was how media can mitigate/minimize copy cat suicides not an in-depth concept of presenting uncited misinformation about
anyone's hormonal imbalances,
nor
maturity level,
nor
how the caregiver's failed to provide succinct familial guidance to deal with life's nuances,
nor
how to tell people how to make friends,
nor
how the public educational system failed them,
or ?

But rather how the newspeek/social media portrays and glorifies the act of self harm yet neglecting the fact these individuals are suffering from MH/substance issues and lack sufficient resources, e.g., familial, religious, educational or other community entities, who can facilitate assistance, or how to recognize the signs of suicide ideation, or what resources are available after traumatic major events!
 

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Good topic!

How many mass shooting or suicides do you see females commit? Most males with high testosterones lack emotional control, lack a mechanism to deal with their emotions. Lacks families/friends support structures.

Whoa, hey, uh, is this one of those "I need feminism because..." exercises for politically correct males trying to impress the coeds? It's like the heavy anti-man propanda messages parroted during the intervals between gunshots and explosions in a typical Hollywood "he-man" movie, but I didn't remember starting up a movie. I thought I was on the forum.... o_O

Mass shootings are a way different concept than suicides, starting with number of targets. Men and women both benefit from having firearms and from OC, so I'm not looking for any gender battles; just want to keep it accurate. You know what they say about statistics! Numbers are great but context is important. Try these:

"Based on the 2017 National Survey of Drug Use and Mental Health it is estimated that 0.6 percent of the adults aged 18 or older made at least one suicide attempt. This translates to approximately 1.4 million adults. Adult females reported a suicide attempt 1.4 times as often as males."

"Based on the 2017 Youth Risk Behaviors Survey, 7.4 percent of youth in grades 9-12 reported that they had made at least one suicide attempt in the past 12 months. Female students attempted almost twice as often as male students (9.3% vs. 5.1%)." [CDC]


Most female have learned and developed over thousands of years, a way for them to cope with stress and other compounding emotions. It's our male pride, get past that then society might be a better place with less suicides and 2A won't be used as an scapegoat.

I hate to argue with all the Hollywood "he-man" movies and anti-Western-Civ University professors, but I don't think this explanation holds up well, whether against statistical data or my own anecdotal experience. There's no such thing as accurate stats on suicides and attempts, but as you can see from stats above, females might have a higher body count if they were more physically effective at accomplishing the act. Depressed females are very common, again anecdotally and statistically.

Despite modern attempts at "equality" one real difference is the expectations placed by society on men versus women. Men are expected to achieve on their own or else, and also to take care of women. Women have much more safety net, between the government and the men, and they are not looked down upon for availing themselves of any of these resources.

I am a fairly weak man, definitely not a Hollywood feminism spouting pray-and-spray he-man, but living in reality requires honesty and accuracy in seeing the world. Intro to HP 101: Things you won't learn in school nowadays! 👨‍🎓
 

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ok whatever, but all these goes back to lack of emotional control and we are where are now because of it
 
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Females don't commit mass murder so much.

But they do kill themselves fairly often. Probably at least as often as men.
 

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I need feminism cuz ... masculinity is so toxic and I'mma EXPLODE! 😝

The assertion was that men trail women in controlling emotions due to our pride and social structure.

The CDC stats I quoted (as far as we can trust stats) show that young women report attempting suicide more than young men. Yet other stats suggest that men actually die from suicide more. I assume that this could be because men are more effective in committing the physical act.

So think through the implications. Is that a good thing for women? If men imitated women emotionally, young men might attempt suicide even more often. Is that a desired outcome? Is that an example of good emotional control?

Or if men tried to imitate being less effective in committing the physical act, how? And what impact would that have on other areas of men's lives? The real birds and bees are not as simplistic as the dumbed-down Hollywood/University version.
 

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I need feminism cuz ... masculinity is so toxic and I'mma EXPLODE! 😝

The assertion was that men trail women in controlling emotions due to our pride and social structure.

The CDC stats I quoted (as far as we can trust stats) show that young women report attempting suicide more than young men. Yet other stats suggest that men actually die from suicide more. I assume that this could be because men are more effective in committing the physical act.

So think through the implications. Is that a good thing for women? If men imitated women emotionally, young men might attempt suicide even more often. Is that a desired outcome? Is that an example of good emotional control?

Or if men tried to imitate being less effective in committing the physical act, how? And what impact would that have on other areas of men's lives? The real birds and bees are not as simplistic as the dumbed-down Hollywood/University version.

Alas HP995, males succeed in their impulse effort to commit suicide due to their choice of methodology ~ firearms, wrapping vehicles around trees/poles, etc., which has a higher lethality rate! While females choice isn’t normally impulse and they use pills and fortunately some are found and revived to receive appropriate MH treatment.

Either way, tis a shame the loss of life due to the MH complexity surrounding the causes/treatment, lack of familial & community support, all coupled with an individual’s lack of emotional coping skills causes the tremendous & needless lost of a great many individuals in this country every year!
 

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Correct Solus......plus when they explode instead of implode, the 2A communities become the scapegoat for the anti-gunner and it effects all of us that cherish our 2A right.
 

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Suicide is a problem. A good topic! But it will not help anyone, and will not reduce suicides, to promote fake causes and solutions that do not fit the facts. I don't understand doubling down on such things - how can fake stuff possibly help us in any way? If the goal is to help people, wouldn't real causes and solutions be better than stuff that doesn't hold up against facts?

Assertion:

Most female have learned and developed over thousands of years, a way for them to cope with stress and other compounding emotions. It's our male pride, get past that then society might be a better place with less suicides and 2A won't be used as an scapegoat.

Some facts (as far as we can trust stats etc):

"Female students attempted almost twice as often as male students (9.3% vs. 5.1%)." [CDC via AFSP]

"About twice as many women as men experience depression." [Mayo Clinic]

Conclusion:

Although males succeed in suicide more often, we know that females experience more depression and young females report attempting suicide more than their male peers. We may not know why; as I have suggested and Solus has elaborated, males may get the job done more effectively by using the best tools or most effective methods.

But since (A) physically attempting suicide looks to be already going past the point of controlling emotion and (B) females have more depression and young females make more suicide attempts than males, therefore, it doesn't follow that the solution for men is to emulate females on emotional strategies. Does it? I see this as both irrelevant and incorrect to tackling the problem of suicide.
 

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Sorry, per your article...
The sheriff’s office received a call at 8:36 a.m. from a man who provided his location and advised he was suicidal, police said.

That dispatcher should be fired for not dispatching EMS and the deputy dismissed for perpetrating and being allowed to assist in suicide by law enforcement.

Dispatch should have realized this individual’s call was a call for assistance and the individual was presenting a valid ideation to commit suicide so EMS was mandated.

Further, the deputy was aware of the nature of the call and maintained distance and calm at the scene until such time as trained professionals, LE negotiator or MH professional arrived.

Grrrrrrrrr
 

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Suicide is a problem. A good topic! But it will not help anyone, and will not reduce suicides, to promote fake causes and solutions that do not fit the facts. I don't understand doubling down on such things - how can fake stuff possibly help us in any way? If the goal is to help people, wouldn't real causes and solutions be better than stuff that doesn't hold up against facts?

Assertion:



Some facts (as far as we can trust stats etc):

"Female students attempted almost twice as often as male students (9.3% vs. 5.1%)." [CDC via AFSP]

"About twice as many women as men experience depression." [Mayo Clinic]

Conclusion:

Although males succeed in suicide more often, we know that females experience more depression and young females report attempting suicide more than their male peers. We may not know why; as I have suggested and Solus has elaborated, males may get the job done more effectively by using the best tools or most effective methods.

But since (A) physically attempting suicide looks to be already going past the point of controlling emotion and (B) females have more depression and young females make more suicide attempts than males, therefore, it doesn't follow that the solution for men is to emulate females on emotional strategies. Does it? I see this as both irrelevant and incorrect to tackling the problem of suicide.

i'm a better patron then a promoter

gotta have awareness before cause and solutions. First thing i saw from this article is Suicidal and Gun/knife
 
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gotta have awareness before cause and solutions.

Gotta have honesty and accuracy before awareness! ;)

That dispatcher should be fired for not dispatching EMS and the deputy dismissed for perpetrating and being allowed to assist in suicide by law enforcement.

Excellent phrase, "suicide by law enforcement." The article says the man was seriously wounded so I assume he's still alive, but it's (yet another) crazyguv incident. A public suicide can turn dangerous, but they knew what to expect.
 

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Hiding from facts and truth is not a noble, successful, or realistic life strategy. Do not fear honesty and logic.
 

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Hiding from facts and truth is not a noble, successful, or realistic life strategy. Do not fear honesty and logic.

I don't understand where all this dilly dolly about me hiding from any truth? I don't hide nor do i snitch....i'm just taking the approached from different angles.

Honor is earned not given.
 
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