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[Shinz1212]

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HMDGLOCK wrote:

If LEO asks you to see your LTCH and you carrying peacefully, do you have to show them. Or just give them your name and residence.

IC 35-44-3-7
Refusal to aid an officer
Sec. 7. A person who, when ordered by a law enforcement officer to assist the officer in the execution of the officer's duties, knowingly or intentionally, and without a reasonable cause, refuses to assist commits refusal to aid an officer, a Class B misdemeanor.


This is their solution to the repeal of the section of code that applied to "Failure to Identify." They can/will charge you depending on the officer. Just flash 'em the pink paper and move on.

 

[mac45]

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HMDGLOCK wrote:

If LEO asks you to see your LTCH and you carrying peacefully, do you have to show them. Or just give them your name and residence.

Not to be a smart alec, but why would you NOT show your license?

 

[Skippy]

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mac45 wrote:

HMDGLOCK wrote:

If LEO asks you to see your LTCH and you carrying peacefully, do you have to show them. Or just give them your name and residence.

Not to be a smart alec, but why would you NOT show your license?

It's the "Nazi Germany" argument. If you aren't committing a crime, you shouldn't have to be required to produce your papers on demand. I make no comment as to whether I agree with that or not.

 

[Beau]

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What about this. I have never been in a church that didn't have a Sunday school class for the kids if they had the room. Would this count as well? I think it could be argued either way.

 

[HMDGLOCK]

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Skippy wrote:

mac45 wrote:

HMDGLOCK wrote:

If LEO asks you to see your LTCH and you carrying peacefully, do you have to show them. Or just give them your name and residence.

Not to be a smart alec, but why would you NOT show your license?

It's the "Nazi Germany" argument. If you aren't committing a crime, you shouldn't have to be required to produce your papers on demand. I make no comment as to whether I agree with that or not.

OK mac45 I never said I would notshow LEO. Which I probably would.I was just wondering the legality on the situation.

Also to say if you are walking down the street and cop says conceal your gun. Are you going to say "Ok sir, I Will." I would hope not.

 

[mac45]

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Skippy wrote:

mac45 wrote:

HMDGLOCK wrote:

If LEO asks you to see your LTCH and you carrying peacefully, do you have to show them. Or just give them your name and residence.

Not to be a smart alec, but why would you NOT show your license?

It's the "Nazi Germany" argument. If you aren't committing a crime, you shouldn't have to be required to produce your papers on demand. I make no comment as to whether I agree with that or not.

Since it's illegal to carry a handgun without having a license, an officer has no way of knowing if you are legal or not unless he asks to see your license. Personally, I don't think it's out of line for him to ask. Now, if his next words are anything other than, "Thank you. Have a nice day.", then yes, the officer is out of line.
But that wasn't the question.

 

[HMDGLOCK]

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mac45 wrote:

Skippy wrote:

mac45 wrote:

HMDGLOCK wrote:

If LEO asks you to see your LTCH and you carrying peacefully, do you have to show them. Or just give them your name and residence.

Not to be a smart alec, but why would you NOT show your license?

It's the "Nazi Germany" argument. If you aren't committing a crime, you shouldn't have to be required to produce your papers on demand. I make no comment as to whether I agree with that or not.

Since it's illegal to carry a handgun without having a license, an officer has no way of knowing if you are legal or not unless he asks to see your license. Personally, I don't think it's out of line for him to ask. Now, if his next words are anything other than, "Thank you. Have a nice day.", then yes, the officer is out of line.
But that wasn't the question.

The way I was thinking is LEO is not going to pull you over in your car and sayI pulled you over becuase you look like you might not have a drivers license. Then you show it tohim, then he goes "Thank you. Have a nice day." Now would that be out of line.

 

[mac45]

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Mac45 wrote:

HMDGLOCK wrote:

If LEO asks you to see your LTCH and you carrying peacefully, do you have to show them. Or just give them your name and residence.

Not to be a smart alec, but why would you NOT show your license?

OK mac45 I never said I would notshow LEO. Which I probably would.I was just wondering the legality on the situation.

Also to say if you are walking down the street and cop says conceal your gun. Are you going to say "Ok sir, I Will." I would hope not.

HMDGLOCK, I really wasn't trying to pull your chain. It's just since the police aren't psychic, I don't think it unreasonable to be asked to show a license.
As far as your hypothetical question goes, it depends entirely on the circumstances.
Would I challange the officer that I wasn't doing anything illegal? Of course.
Would I ask him for some justification? You betcha.
But, if I happened to be dealing with an idiot cop, (we all know that there's a few out there), and there was no resoning with him, I'd cover up rather than let him make me a test case.
Frankly, I couldn't afford the lawyers.

 

[mac45]

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HMDGLOCK wrote:

mac45 wrote:

Skippy wrote:

mac45 wrote:

HMDGLOCK wrote:

If LEO asks you to see your LTCH and you carrying peacefully, do you have to show them. Or just give them your name and residence.

Not to be a smart alec, but why would you NOT show your license?

It's the "Nazi Germany" argument. If you aren't committing a crime, you shouldn't have to be required to produce your papers on demand. I make no comment as to whether I agree with that or not.

Since it's illegal to carry a handgun without having a license, an officer has no way of knowing if you are legal or not unless he asks to see your license. Personally, I don't think it's out of line for him to ask. Now, if his next words are anything other than, "Thank you. Have a nice day.", then yes, the officer is out of line.
But that wasn't the question.

The way I was thinking is LEO is not going to pull you over in your car and sayI pulled you over becuase you look like you might not have a drivers license. Then you show it tohim, then he goes "Thank you. Have a nice day." Now would that be out of line.

You mean like a random DUI road block?

 

[Skippy]

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mac45 wrote:

You mean like a random DUI road block?

I'm astonished those are legal. It's clearly a 4th Amendment violation and yet it's been upheld by the SCOTUS.