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Not citizen but want to be a LEO? No prob

boundlessdyad

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...nt-fined-10k-for-hiring-only-us-citizens.htmlThe DOJ says it is unlawful to require citizenship for law enforcement officers.The department won't appeal? My guess is they invited the lawsuit so they could send a message to law enforcement agencies across the country that "dreamers" can be cops. Another liberal infiltration into conservative territory. [emoji35]
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I agree. Why would not being a green card holder be good enough?

Look at Hillary ... she's a "citizen" (rumors of her being from another planet are still being investigated).

You can be president of the US w/o being a citizen....
 

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I agree. Why would not being a green card holder be good enough?

Look at Hillary ... she's a "citizen" (rumors of her being from another planet are still being investigated).

You can be president of the US w/o being a citizen....
How does one genuinely swear an oath to uphold the Constitution of a country of which they are not citizen? I am okay with immigrants in law enforcement, just become a citizen first.

Obama and Hillary are special cases. [emoji107]
 

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How does one genuinely swear an oath to uphold the Constitution of a country of which they are not citizen? I am okay with immigrants in law enforcement, just become a citizen first.

Obama and Hillary are special cases. [emoji107]

Obama and Hillary are "special cases" indeed but look at all your public officials ... I bet that they all take some oath...so do they all need to be citizens?

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2014/rpt/pdf/2014-R-0034.pdf

^^ some info regarding Commieland .... but one can be a state sen. or rep. w/o being a citizen.

Oaths, smoaths ... they mean nothing anymore ... IMO. many people here took oaths ....
 

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How does one genuinely swear an oath to uphold the Constitution of a country of which they are not citizen? ...snip

Easily done once one has read and studied the docs, and coming to an internal decision that they want to uphold the Constitution of the United States. Then after being sworn in, take upon themselves the obligation imposed by swearing an oath to Support and Defend said Constitution.

I see absolutely NO REQUIREMENT restricting one not a citizen of the US to take such an oath. Nor do I seem any mandate invalidating such as oath!

Requesting cites to support your position or was this just an expression of your own philosophical opinion?
 

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How does one genuinely swear an oath to uphold the Constitution of a country of which they are not citizen? I am okay with immigrants in law enforcement, just become a citizen first.

Obama and Hillary are special cases. [emoji107]

Same way an immigrant can join the US Armed Forces would be my guess.
There are ~40,000 non-citizens serving, who swore an oath to uphold the Constitution.
 

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Same way an immigrant can join the US Armed Forces would be my guess.
There are ~40,000 non-citizens serving, who swore an oath to uphold the Constitution.

individuals, who bring a specal set of skills, language, etc., to the military's world wide play ground are, as you mentioned, provided special dispensation and vetted extensively, promised fast tracked citizenship upon completion of their commitments, normally six years.

remember tehy that write the rules can, change them, verbal or written, temporarily or permanently, to meet their needs, real or perceived!

btw David, pretty sure those elected to serve in our nation's legislative, executive, judicial are mandated to be citizens...birth certs mandatorily needed...tax returns tho are not mandatory to be shown.

ipse
 

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Same way an immigrant can join the US Armed Forces would be my guess.
There are ~40,000 non-citizens serving, who swore an oath to uphold the Constitution.
Those serving in the military deserve a fast track to citizenship in my opinion. Once legal immigrants become citizens I have no objection to them serving in law enforcement. There is a difference between military and local civilian law enforcement. The military mission is about actions taking place outside of our borders. Local law enforcement on the other hand is all here on U.S. soil. It is simply my opinion that becoming a citizen first should be required or at minimum given preference in a law enforcement position. The completion of the citizenship process in my mind is a strong indicator of one's desire to abide by and uphold the COTUS. A recent legal immigrant creates a myriad of vetting issues in my opinion. I don't think it is discriminatory to give preference or even require citizenship of those serving in civilian law enforcement. Others may disagree and I won't disparage you for doing so.
 

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Easily done once one has read and studied the docs, and coming to an internal decision that they want to uphold the Constitution of the United States. Then after being sworn in, take upon themselves the obligation imposed by swearing an oath to Support and Defend said Constitution.

I see absolutely NO REQUIREMENT restricting one not a citizen of the US to take such an oath. Nor do I seem any mandate invalidating such as oath!

Requesting cites to support your position or was this just an expression of your own philosophical opinion?
Opinion, nothing to cite.
 

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As if you all couldn't have guessed the Fed's require citizenship for law enforcement positions. Hypocrisy much?

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Another example of the Federal government stepping on the states.
 
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When I was, at her request, exploring the possibility of my stepdaughter (Chinese national) joining the military, one of the requirements listed by the recruiters was that she have a green card. I don't have a cite, only my personal experience.

I do know that, in the early years (1961-1964) of my career, we still had servicemembers who were refugees from the Hungarian Revolution of 1956.

Law enforcement? I most assuredly want them to be citizens or, as a bare minimum, have a green card.
 

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btw David, pretty sure those elected to serve in our nation's legislative, executive, judicial are mandated to be citizens...birth certs mandatorily needed...tax returns tho are not mandatory to be shown.

ipse

Only requirement to be elected is that you get on the ballot and get voted in...regardless of if you meet the qualifications, if you get on the ballot and win, you're in.

I've seen plenty of folks who do not meet eligibility requirements (ie felons, etc) but get elected anyways....objections to their winning and trying to get them kicked out of office never prevail.
 

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if they can prove eligibility with being here legally, then... it's in my grey area, but if the DOJ is implying that illegal immigrants can not be denied a position on the force, then how am I suppose to trust an agency that's intent is to uphold the (corporate) law, when it breaks it itself?

now I can see townships close to the border having LEO's from Mexico or Canada, ( with a green card of course), but that is the extent of my realm of possibility.


also if they can require that the applicant be a U.S. citizen, why can't the state/county controlled LE agency do the same?? what happened to the state sovereignty amendment? ( you know, the tenth amendment)
 

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Easily done once one has read and studied the docs, and coming to an internal decision that they want to uphold the Constitution of the United States. Then after being sworn in, take upon themselves the obligation imposed by swearing an oath to Support and Defend said Constitution.

I see absolutely NO REQUIREMENT restricting one not a citizen of the US to take such an oath. Nor do I seem any mandate invalidating such as oath!

Perhaps you're not looking in the right place. Perhaps you should thoroughly re-read our founding document which begins with the following preamble:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Perhaps you might realize that when our Founding Fathers referred to "the people of the United States" they were not referring to everyone in the United States, but to the citizens of the United States.

Perhaps you will then recognize that the term "the people" is only mentioned twice, once in the preamble, and once with respect to electing Congressional Representatives (before another amendment gave people the right to elect senators directly).

While you're at it, please remember our Constitution is "the supreme Law of the Land," under which all other federal, state, and local law must conform, and that the Constitution itself and the 9th and 10th amendments specifically limit and define both federal and state authority.

Therein, you might realize that until immigrants become naturalized citizens, they were never meant to be eligible to either partake in any election process, much less hold public office in these United States.

If states have let them do so anyway, they're not following the Constitution. If you believe that's "OK," then you're not tracking.
 
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