No suspects in custody!!!

[cleveland]

Sounds like you worry about rain; on sunny days...

Better to prepare for rain on a sunny day, then to plan for rain once it's already raining.

 

[rcawdor57]

Not Ridiculous At All...

are you really planning on shooting 50 people? do you have any idea how ridiculous that is?

If they keep coming at me.....you figure it out.

 

[takon074]

1. If I, as an older, not-so-healthy man, am faced with a threat, whether it is one person or a mob and they are younger and healthier than I am, I will be in fear of my life. The last part is why I do not carry pepper spray and would not use it. If the sight of my openly carried weapon is not sufficient deterrent, then I am going to do my best to stop the ring leaders or the ones closest to me and mine.

2. Folks, I will admit that I am a cynical, paranoid old man. How do you think I managed to become an old man?

3. This is, I fear, just the beginning. Wait until the results of the 2012 election are known. If the present incumbent in the White House loses, there is a certain segment of the black community who will use that as an excuse to riot, loot, burn, and attack. If the present incumbent should happen to win, there is a certain segment of the white community who will use that as an excuse to riot, loot, burn, and attack.

4. Do not, I beg of you, paint all blacks, hispanics, or whites with the same brush. I have, in both my military and civilian careers, been privileged to serve with, and to lead, people of many different ethnic origins. By and large, they were good people who worked hard at whatever came to hand. Only a very few would be considered a waste of oxygen. Those few, we managed, in both military and civilian arenas, to get rid of.

+rep
Great post. We have to avoid playing their race games at all costs. Remember MLK.

 

[Zeus]

Well, seeing as how there have been kids as young as 11 involved, I would call some children. The point is that any group, mob or not, wreaking havoc is going to go after the scared unarmed person as opposed to confronting pepper spray, a baton or what have you. Mobs are cowards and once presented with resistance or witness the effects of a few getting pepper sprayed, they change their behavior rather quickly. Nobody said you can't draw your spray with your reaction hand and grasp your holstered weapon with your strong side hand. Hell, spray em after you shoot em if you want, I don't care, but when the video shows up in court that you offed and 11 year old running with a mob without so much as a hey, leave me alone, you might be wearing an orange jumpsuit. When I was stationed at Pendleton in the 90's I caught 4 illegals trying to pass through the base on night watch. Security was more lax back then, pre 9/11 and all. Those fking guys knew by the look in my eyes that I wasn't playing and did whatever the fk I told em. They were very happy to see the regular MP's, who had caught them many times before, take them into custody away from the crazy ass Marine with the M16 just out of boot camp. You could tell by looking at them that they were about to **** themselves because they really thought this fresh out of boot camp, brain washed PFC was about to end their ass in the name of Old Glory. I would have in a fking heartbeat too, if the Sgt. MP hadn't told me to relax. I guess all I'm saying is if you look scared, people will react just like a wild animal. If you look at them like your ready to fking kill them and might even enjoy doing so, they change their attitude (unless on drugs of course). Besides, like I said, pepper spraying degenerate ******** can be great fun

 

[Trip20]

Mobs are cowards and once presented with resistance or witness the effects of a few getting pepper sprayed, they change their behavior rather quickly.

I can't say you're 100% wrong here, but I do disagree to some degree. I believe that as mobs form and begin utilizing their destructive force, on the individual level there's a sense of power that flourishes through out the experience. Encountering resistance such as one individual with pepper spray or a baton has every possibility of bringing focus on the resistance rather than driving the mob away from the resistance.

I just don't think you can generalize mobs as cowardice forces that will run away from pepper spray.

 

[XDFDE45]

A bunch of savages terrorize innocents at a fair, and you think MPD is responsible?

We see this very differently.

Part of the problem, IMO at least, as that after the mob violence on the 4th of July Flynn said that "this was a color blind crime." not to mention the horrible response from the MPD. By doing that he sent a message that it was okay to commit a racial crime and those who did would not be charged with one. HUGE MISTAKE!!!. Had he said it was racially motivated and arrested and charged those responsible with the racial enhancer people who might think about committing these kinds of crimes again would think twice about it. But by being weak and basically being a apologist for the black community he guaranteed that this would happen again. Now after the State Fair incident Milwaukee Common Council President Willie Hines came out and said "They should be penalized for the prime incident, and we should have a racial enhancer". http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/126828998.html THAT IS WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED AFTER THE 4th OF JULY. Was Flynn and the MPD DIRECTLY responsible for what happened at State Fair? They certainly didn't help matters. As I have already said, had the violence on the 4th been dealt with properly and the way it should have what happened at the State Fair may not have occurred.

 

[Interceptor_Knight]

...As I have already said, had the violence on the 4th been dealt with properly and the way it should have what happened at the State Fair may not have occurred.

These kind of people have both a short memory and in indifference to the media unless it involves something occurring against their demographic. The root cause of such violence is not eliminated by putting in administrative controls after 5PM at a specific event. This will not be the last time we see this behavior...

 

[XDFDE45]

These kind of people have both a short memory and in indifference to the media unless it involves something occurring against their demographic. The root cause of such violence is not eliminated by putting in administrative controls after 5PM at a specific event. This will not be the last time we see this behavior...

How very true. It was the same situation with Summer Fest. They used to have a small midway section by the Marcus Amphitheater where almost all the black kids hung out and after a hip hop concert let out on the last night of SF one year groups of black kids were running around outside the grounds attacking white groups/families who were leaving and going to their cars for no reason. After that incident SF decided to get rid of the midway. Now of course there were complaints of "where are they going to be able to meet do things?" They acted like the midway was the only place they could go, as opposed to walking around the whole festival grounds. I wouldn't be surprised if something like this is considered for State Fair after what happened last week.

 

[HandyHamlet]

Great. No protesters were killed.... That is the goal. The problem is that the police did not respond with appropriate "riot" gear not that they did not use deadly force. They need to respond with less than lethal weapons.

uh, say what?

Protesters? Deadly force? You mean the victims protesting the beatings they were experiencing at the time. Protests like "Stop!" "don't..." "help."
I guess they should pass a law that flash mobs must notify the authorities before they attack. Give 'em time to don their Riot Gear.

If your expectation is that police will "kill them all and let God sort them out", you are experiencing a pipe dream.

WTF?

Where the hell did that come from... I never said anything remotely close to that. I certainly made no mention of "deadly force". The only mention I made of cops AT ALL was that several were injured. If anyone needs to worry about pipe dreams it ain't me. I'm not the one who can't handle his bong hits. Seriously. Put the bong down and step away before you put your eye out or spill bong water everywhere.

:uhoh:

 

[GLOCK21GB]

Yep.

In both my experiences the mob attacks started by screaming, chest bumping, and the circling of one or two initial victims. That followed by someone from the back coming around and blindsiding the 1st victim by complete surprise.

Then everyone's brain goes into slow mo as they actually try to process what just happened. There is a pregnant pause.

Then all hell breaks loose. That's why I will say again, if you are close enough to warn them to get back, trade fierce glances, or use pepper spray you might as well just hunker down. 'Cause it is already too late for you.



Your mileage may vary.

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[oak1971]

uh, say what?

Protesters? Deadly force? You mean the victims protesting the beatings they were experiencing at the time. Protests like "Stop!" "don't..." "help."
I guess they should pass a law that flash mobs must notify the authorities before they attack. Give 'em time to don their Riot Gear.



WTF?

Where the hell did that come from... I never said anything remotely close to that. I certainly made no mention of "deadly force". The only mention I made of cops AT ALL was that several were injured. If anyone needs to worry about pipe dreams it ain't me. I'm not the one who can't handle his bong hits. Seriously. Put the bong down and step away before you put your eye out or spill bong water everywhere.

:uhoh:

Good Lord, that's hilarious! :lol: I say if people want to play stupid games, they get stupid prizes. Mobs like to bust heads, but they run when its their head getting busted. Time to get medieval.

 

[santana]

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I do not appreciate being called an animal or the reference to chicken wings. It is racist and I hope this thread gets locked.

 

[1FASTC4]

I like chicken wings.... mmmm buffalo wings.

 

[cleveland]

Welcome to the forum!

I do not appreciate being called an animal or the reference to chicken wings. It is racist and I hope this thread gets locked.

Since the comments in Glock34's post were removed, I can not comment on weather or not they were racist. I will say this though... please don't let the comments of one person give you the wrong impression about the whole group.

 

[GLOCK21GB]

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[cleveland]

YOUR PEOPLE need a lesson in acting like civilized Human beings when in Public.

I guess that would mean that YOUR people (whites) need a lesson about cannibalism and murder considering most serial killers and cannibals in America are white men... right?. What your saying is racist and I respect your right to think that way... no matter how narrow minded it is. I'd just prefer not to read it on this forum. You may find more like minded individuals over at Stormfront.

 

[GLOCK21GB]

Welcome to the forum!



Since the comments in Glock34's post were removed, I can not comment on weather or not they were racist. I will say this though... please don't let the comments of one person give you the wrong impression about the whole group.

Just like we should not let the violent actions of 300 black youths give us the wrong impression of Blacks in Milwaukee.. TOO LATE !!!!!!!

 

[GLOCK21GB]

I guess that would mean that YOUR people (whites) need a lesson about cannibalism and murder considering most serial killers and cannibals in America are white men... right?. What your saying is racist and I respect your right to think that way... no matter how narrow minded it is. I'd just prefer not to read it on this forum. You may find more like minded individuals over at Stormfront.

Stormfront ?? I actually had to look up what that was ! I guess you have spent some time on that Nazi website, just like a PC white appologist...changing the subject... how did Black thug mob violence & Blacks attacking 300 whites...........get changed to one sicko white guy named Dahmer, a some sicko serial killers scattered through out the USA ? let's stay on topic here ok ? What i said is only viewed as Racist by those that can't stand to hear the TRUTH or they are now called the uber POLITICALLY CORRECT.... sure your not a closet lib ????

 

[John Pierce]

Closing This Thread

This forum is about open carry, second amendment, and self-defense issues that affect ALL AMERICANS.

Our rules specifically prohibit any discussions that have the effect of denigrating a particular group of americans (other than anti-gunners).

Hate is not welcome here.

When you start calling an entire race of people animals, that is different than saying that the actual perpetrators of a crime are animals. One would be allowed here the other will not.


John