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Have Gun - Will Carry

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I would love to see the "take" on this from WAVE...

That's easy, I know exactly what they'd say...

"Oh, it's a good thing there were no guns involved, <slobber slobber>. Can you just IMAGINE how much more dangerous it would have been if there were GUNS there??? <drool, drool> The mere presence of those horrid things would have made it INEVITABLE that people would have been shot and killed! <slobber, drool, puke> See, we're so much SAFER without more guns, blah, blah, blah!"

Am I wrong???
 

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Some less lethal options would be a good idea initially. It's entertaining to see the results of pepper spray and a taser on creeps that hurt innocents. Then if you have no choice, lead injection may be necessary. At least you could show in court that you used only the force that was necessary. I don't think society would miss any of these participants. Pretty sure the next Einstein is nowhere among them.
 

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Reading these two stories made me sick. A couple weeks ago, I went to Paperfest in Kimberly. Had a great time listening to music. Leaving the park, there was a quite violent fight. I heard some racial terms thrown about. Several were arrested and one was taken to the hospital due to his head injury. I was un/fortunately not carrying because I was on my Motorcycle, stupid law (cant wait for nov 1st). But after the incident, what would these morons have done if they saw a gun? Beat me? Ran? If they charged, i would have been forced to shoot. If it were concealed, I would have had the opportunity to make a decision on draw or not. These incidents are not just one race nor are they only in certain areas. These could happen anywhere groups congregate.

On a side note, what are some ideas for if we are caught in a rough situation like this? Draw, and fire if situation requires? Thats my vote or is there and alternative? Say electric weapons. they seem to deter pretty darn good....

JMHO

ETA: What are the bans against tazers? Does a 'no firearms' mean 'no weapons'?
 
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LaBomba said:
I believe that the State Fair incident is cause to condemn the individuals who rioted.
Yep.

Not, as Glock34 does, the entire City of Milwaukee, or all Blacks, or the Milwaukee Chief of Police.
Across the country ALL of these wilding mobs have been black people, & mostly teens.
Somewhere along the line, we've got to quit being scared to point that out.

If I'm approached by a gang, I don't care what they look like (unless they're all teens wearing Scout uniforms) I'm going to be a bit concerned for my well-being.

Having read news articles from across the country about mobs just like this (although this does seem to be the largest), including ones about black teens behaving badly right here in MKE, seeing a mob of black teens approaching will make me even more concerned for my well-being.

I don't like that these animals (thugs, criminals, ruffians, hooligans, snot-nosed ill-behaved mannerless brats, whatever you want to call them) have led me to have that response.
But I try to be realistic.
Being approached by such a mob, or seeing one heading my way, I'd go sideways.
Near the Fair, go onto a residential street, get onto someone's porch, hunker down & call 911.


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Funny thing, they were all black and only attacked whites.
They should be charged with a hate crime and sentenced appropriately.
Agreed. If something less happens, it's racism.
Read the statements to the news from various victims - the thugs looked into cars & passed over the ones w/ black people.


AaronS said:
I would love to see the "take" on this from WAVE...
Have Gun - Will Carry said:
"Oh, it's a good thing there were no guns involved, <slobber slobber>. Can you just IMAGINE how much more dangerous it would have been if there were GUNS there??? <drool, drool> The mere presence of those horrid things would have made it INEVITABLE that people would have been shot and killed! <slobber, drool, puke> See, we're so much SAFER without more guns, blah, blah, blah!"
LOL Pretty much what I was thinking.
And in the comments on the 620TMJ article someone said pretty much the same thing.
"Oh, dear, what would happen if they attacked someone who was carrying?!
Then there would be a serious problem."
:banghead:
I pointed out that there would be no more problem, at least from that thug, and asked the person to explain how being attacked/beaten by a mob was NOT a serious problem.
Idiot.


xd40 neenah said:
These incidents are not just one race nor are they only in certain areas.
These could happen anywhere groups congregate.
AFAIK, everyone I've seen in news video or still pictures committing these wilding mob crimes has been black.


what are some ideas for if we are caught in a rough situation like this?
Go sideways (perpendicular). Don't run in a straight line away from them along the same street.
Drive over sidewalks if you have to to get away. (Motorcycles are esp. good for this.)
Don't be shy about going onto someone's porch, or maybe into their back yard, esp. if there's someone there.
If you can't get away, get your back to something so they can't get behind you. Hope you're with someone who can help w/ defense.
And if I were caught in that mob, in the car or afoot, I would have the pistol in hand (or ready to pick up).
Harder on the bike - if I have time to grab the gun, I can probably ride away.

ETA: What are the bans against tazers? Does a 'no firearms' mean 'no weapons'?
My reading of the plain English words says that if the sign says "no firearms" you can't have a firearm.
If it says "no concealed weapons", everything must be visible.
If it says "no weapons", you must be a victim.
If someone goes to the Fair, please take notes about what their sign(s) on the gates say.

ETA: Aren't there street cameras around there? And what if they took busses to get back to the inner city (it's a long walk)? There should be video of their faces, just like in Riverwest.
 
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With all respect, RCawdor: I believe that the State Fair incident is cause to condemn the individuals who rioted.

Not the current administration.

Not, as Glock34 does, the entire City of Milwaukee, or all Blacks, or the Milwaukee Chief of Police.

Other than banging married chicks, what would you say IS the Milwaukee Chief of Police's responsibility? Call me crazy, but I would think making sure the city does not become lost to violent gangs would be kind of be a priority... But that's just my hardline opinion.

:question:
 

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Other than banging married chicks, what would you say IS the Milwaukee Chief of Police's responsibility? Call me crazy, but I would think making sure the city does not become lost to violent gangs would be kind of be a priority... But that's just my hardline opinion.

:question:

A bunch of savages terrorize innocents at a fair, and you think MPD is responsible?

We see this very differently.
 

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A bunch of savages terrorize innocents at a fair, and you think MPD is responsible?

We see this very differently.

I would have to tend to agree.

It is the fair that has taken away our RIGHT to self protection, so I would have to say that the people that run the fair are at fault on this one. The people hurt I am sure, were under the impression that the fair would have good security. That the security would keep them safe.
Once again, we see that it is only you that can try to keep you safe. It is not the job of the police to keep us safe from harm, it is our job.

I am just happy that I was not around for this. I would hate to spend time in jail for protecting my own. I am very sure from what I have read, that I would be in jail at this time. I don't think I would have been able to hold back when I saw the man pulled off his bike and beaten by 20 hood rats...

Same time, I still do not "like" my police department, but not JUST for this one. I have other, even better reasons...
 

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The Sheriff is mad at the State Fair Security (not State Fair Police) for allowing the mayhem to go on for as long as it did and not calling the police for help. He believes that the State Fair Security does not want to offend the indigenous population of the area...
 

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The Sheriff is mad at the State Fair Security (not State Fair Police) for allowing the mayhem to go on for as long as it did and not calling the police for help. He believes that the State Fair Security does not want to offend the indigenous population of the area...

Could state fair security be Mostly black ? If so, then that would make alot of sense.. I will never go to the state fair again..it's been 10 years since the last time...BUT that was the last time ! If I want to be with wild animals I will go to the zoo...where the Animals are in cages where they belong...it's funny how Blacks blame whitey for the huge amount of Blacks in Prisons because white America is keepin the Black man down...LOL..over the smaller amounts whites in prisons..but that's because more Blacks commit violent crimes that whites..I suppose LaBomba will call that Racist too...
 

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A bunch of savages terrorize innocents at a fair, and you think MPD is responsible?

We see this very differently.

So you have information that the MPD is responsible for the mob attacks at the Fair? Cite please.

Because in no way did I say that.

And if you would take a second to answer the question I posted I'm sure it would be appreciated.
 

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The young blacks that are committing these crimes don't represent blacks as a whole, but they do represent an issue with-in the black community. The excuse of being a minority, exposed to violence as a child, living in poverty, etc... are all excuses that are designed to remove the responsibility from the predator. Why are there not large groups of Mexican kids, Asian kids, etc... doing the same thing? The real problem is that the main stream has accepted blacks taking out their anger on whites as justifiable behavior. What makes this especially sad is that the parents and grandparents of these predators are the ones that fought this same kind of mob mentality back in the 60's. They fought the white to prevent these same crimes from happening to blacks, and now their children are committing the racist crimes. I wonder what the daughter of the man that was beaten in front of her now thinks of blacks? The circle of hate continues...

Some less lethal options would be a good idea initially. It's entertaining to see the results of pepper spray and a taser on creeps that hurt innocents. Then if you have no choice, lead injection may be necessary. At least you could show in court that you used only the force that was necessary.

That is an excellent response! In Tom Sipin's class he discussed that the use of pepper spray when available will either stop the threat, or later help prove in court that you exhausted other resources before using lethal force. Either way, The Shooter Shop has civilian size pepper spray for $10, I just got a new can for Mrs Cleveland yesterday.
 

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The young blacks that are committing these crimes don't represent blacks as a whole, but they do represent an issue with-in the black community. The excuse of being a minority, exposed to violence as a child, living in poverty, etc... are all excuses that are designed to remove the responsibility from the predator. Why are there not large groups of Mexican kids, Asian kids, etc... doing the same thing? The real problem is that the main stream has accepted blacks taking out their anger on whites as justifiable behavior. What makes this especially sad is that the parents and grandparents of these predators are the ones that fought this same kind of mob mentality back in the 60's. They fought the white to prevent these same crimes from happening to blacks, and now their children are committing the racist crimes. I wonder what the daughter of the man that was beaten in front of her now thinks of blacks? The circle of hate continues...



That is an excellent response! In Tom Sipin's class he discussed that the use of pepper spray when available will either stop the threat, or later help prove in court that you exhausted other resources before using lethal force. Either way, The Shooter Shop has civilian size pepper spray for $10, I just got a new can for Mrs Cleveland yesterday.

Yeah...I hear that it's a good topping for chicken wings; get real, are you going to stop the threat or marinate them???
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Yeah...I hear that it's a good topping for chicken wings; get real, are you going to stop the threat or marinate them???
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What does that even mean?

Ohhh, I get it. Your mocking the use of pepper spray... right? Are you under the impression that lethal force is the only way to stop a threat? Since no one was killed, do you think using lethal force on children would be an acceptable response?
 
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What does that even mean?

Your talking about controlling a MOB, with one(1) can of pepper spray...I ask you again; are you hoping to stop the threat or marinate it???

Maybe your watching too many Segal movies; where they line up to fight one on one...
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I said nothing about controlling anyone, I have no interest in controlling others.

You did not answer the question, so I will ask you again...

Are you under the impression that lethal force is the only way to stop a threat? Since no one was killed, do you think using lethal force on children would be an acceptable response?
 

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Your talking about controlling a MOB, with one(1) can of pepper spray...I ask you again; are you hoping to stop the threat or marinate it???

Maybe your watching too many Segal movies; where they line up to fight one on one...
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Yep.

In both my experiences the mob attacks started by screaming, chest bumping, and the circling of one or two initial victims. That followed by someone from the back coming around and blindsiding the 1st victim by complete surprise.

Then everyone's brain goes into slow mo as they actually try to process what just happened. There is a pregnant pause.

Then all hell breaks loose. That's why I will say again, if you are close enough to warn them to get back, trade fierce glances, or use pepper spray you might as well just hunker down. 'Cause it is already too late for you.



Your mileage may vary.
 
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What does that even mean?

Ohhh, I get it. Your mocking the use of pepper spray... right? Are you under the impression that lethal force is the only way to stop a threat? Since no one was killed, do you think using lethal force on children would be an acceptable response?

The only one worried about lethal force, should be you. After you decide to spray, rather than retreat under the cover of your DRAWN gun; I'm sure that the detective investigating your un-timley demise will get a laugh out of your bottle of pepper spray crammed half-way up your backside. That...and all the eaten chicken wings laying around you.
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Yep.

In both my experiences the mob attacks started by screaming, chest bumping, and the circling of one or two initial victims. That followed by someone from the back coming around and blindsiding the 1st victim by complete surprise.

Then everyone's brain goes into slow mo as they actually try to process what just happened. There is a pregnant pause.

Then all hell breaks loose. That's why I will say again, if you are close enough to warn them to get back, trade fierce glances, or use pepper spray you might as well just hunker down. 'Cause it is already too late for you.



Your mileage may vary.

Right on the money Ham...
 
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