cloudcroft
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Enough's already been said on this, sorry you can't find it.
No, not the Red baron.
-- John D.
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No, not the Red baron.
-- John D.
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"No Gun Left Behind"
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TheApostle
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:exclaim:
Let the records show that the afore mentioned assertions do go unfounded.
Back to the original thread:
Its a nice piece of propaganda to fuel paranoia. Either the facts are misrepresented, omitted, or are really opinions. When the facts are against you, make up some "facts" that are in your favor! The Brady Bunch must have planes circling their heads and Tattoo welcoming them to their delusions because they are on fantasy island.
:exclaim:
Let the records show that the afore mentioned assertions do go unfounded.
Back to the original thread:
Its a nice piece of propaganda to fuel paranoia. Either the facts are misrepresented, omitted, or are really opinions. When the facts are against you, make up some "facts" that are in your favor! The Brady Bunch must have planes circling their heads and Tattoo welcoming them to their delusions because they are on fantasy island.
uncoolperson
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and to add to it, if you were really good with a slingshot.... a 747 wouldn't be difficult.
Anything and everything can be used for for anything.
just like homer on his couch... if i wanted to, i could open my beer with my pistol. doesn't mean it's good at it, just means it could be done.
and to add to it, if you were really good with a slingshot.... a 747 wouldn't be difficult.
Anything and everything can be used for for anything.
just like homer on his couch... if i wanted to, i could open my beer with my pistol. doesn't mean it's good at it, just means it could be done.
cloudcroft
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Deleted, personal attack.
Deleted, personal attack.
uncoolperson
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hey cloud i wasn't arguing with you at all.... infact i was agreeing earlier
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=6723&forum_id=64&jump_to=117039#p117039
... i was really just trying to "back you up"
i was simply adding my opinion that using the fact that a gun can bring down a plane is like saying guns are one of the most common ways to commit murder (if one didn't have gun, they can always use something else).
hey cloud i wasn't arguing with you at all.... infact i was agreeing earlier
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=6723&forum_id=64&jump_to=117039#p117039
... i was really just trying to "back you up"
i was simply adding my opinion that using the fact that a gun can bring down a plane is like saying guns are one of the most common ways to commit murder (if one didn't have gun, they can always use something else).
cloudcroft
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uncoolperson,
Okay, I wasn't sure. Sorry. As I said, I had responded to soloban where he cited the Brady Bunch, as if they were exagerating the capabilities of the .50BMG:
".50 Caliber sniper rifles powerful enough to bring down an airplane."
and he responded with:
*Rolls eyes* Maybe if there were six of them mounted on the wings of P-51 Mustang from 500' behind. I'd love to see where they got thier information on that one, furthermore, I'd like to see a shooter capable of that kind of marksmanship."
-- soloban
I was just saying it's true that a .50 could, but it's been done with smaller calibers, too. So the Brady Bunch wasn't making that up...although as always, they DO twist the truth to suit their agenda.
You're right, it's just a another anti-gun ploy using misleading/suggestive language, but the fact is still there, it's just maniplulated every which way but loose!
Regards,
-- John D.
uncoolperson,
Okay, I wasn't sure. Sorry. As I said, I had responded to soloban where he cited the Brady Bunch, as if they were exagerating the capabilities of the .50BMG:
".50 Caliber sniper rifles powerful enough to bring down an airplane."
and he responded with:
*Rolls eyes* Maybe if there were six of them mounted on the wings of P-51 Mustang from 500' behind. I'd love to see where they got thier information on that one, furthermore, I'd like to see a shooter capable of that kind of marksmanship."
-- soloban
I was just saying it's true that a .50 could, but it's been done with smaller calibers, too. So the Brady Bunch wasn't making that up...although as always, they DO twist the truth to suit their agenda.
You're right, it's just a another anti-gun ploy using misleading/suggestive language, but the fact is still there, it's just maniplulated every which way but loose!
Regards,
-- John D.
uncoolperson
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sadly soft air pistols don't open a can of beer very well, the wife started wondering what i was doing...
sadly soft air pistols don't open a can of beer very well, the wife started wondering what i was doing...
cloudcroft
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:lol:
-- John D.
:lol:
-- John D.
jimwyant
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We're all pretty much on the same side here. We all know that the brady bunch twists things to try to support their position. Notice that they didn't define airplane. I could make the same statement about a slingshot and be absolutely correct if my definition of "airplane" is a remote control model.
Someone states a "fact" to support the brady claim that seems hard to believe. A few folks question it, at least some of whom tried to verify the story before questioning it. That's when the personal attacks began. The person who stated the "fact" repeatedly refused to back up the claim and threw out insults like lazy, stupid and DF.
Not everyone here is an expert at finding information, some are indeed lazy, and there are some who throw out "facts" that are not really factual. Back when OCDO was a nice place to hang out, there would normally be a little more patience shown.
Those questioning the fact would go back and dig a little deeper and try to find verification. If they still came up empty, the person who made the statement would either provide some verification or back off of their position and admit that perhaps they may have been mistaken about the accuracy of the statement.
Obviously, that is no longer the case. Now "facts" are posted and insults are thrown out when said facts are questioned.
I no longer give a damn if a 50BMG or smaller weapon can or ever has brought down an airplane. It really isn't important. What I do feel is important is how we are treating each other on this board. If we insist on insulting and refusing to help each other, how can we expect to be taken seriously in our RKBA struggle?
We're all pretty much on the same side here. We all know that the brady bunch twists things to try to support their position. Notice that they didn't define airplane. I could make the same statement about a slingshot and be absolutely correct if my definition of "airplane" is a remote control model.
Someone states a "fact" to support the brady claim that seems hard to believe. A few folks question it, at least some of whom tried to verify the story before questioning it. That's when the personal attacks began. The person who stated the "fact" repeatedly refused to back up the claim and threw out insults like lazy, stupid and DF.
Not everyone here is an expert at finding information, some are indeed lazy, and there are some who throw out "facts" that are not really factual. Back when OCDO was a nice place to hang out, there would normally be a little more patience shown.
Those questioning the fact would go back and dig a little deeper and try to find verification. If they still came up empty, the person who made the statement would either provide some verification or back off of their position and admit that perhaps they may have been mistaken about the accuracy of the statement.
Obviously, that is no longer the case. Now "facts" are posted and insults are thrown out when said facts are questioned.
I no longer give a damn if a 50BMG or smaller weapon can or ever has brought down an airplane. It really isn't important. What I do feel is important is how we are treating each other on this board. If we insist on insulting and refusing to help each other, how can we expect to be taken seriously in our RKBA struggle?
TheApostle
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Cloudcroft:
I guess I am the DF to whom Cloudcroft is referring. My apologies sir for angering you for asking for proof. It was wrong for me to ask YOU for proof. You made the assertion, and I was lazy for asking you for proof. At least you did offer personal insult on top of it. I beg the forum's pardon.
Thank you Jim Wyant.
Cloudcroft:
I guess I am the DF to whom Cloudcroft is referring. My apologies sir for angering you for asking for proof. It was wrong for me to ask YOU for proof. You made the assertion, and I was lazy for asking you for proof. At least you did offer personal insult on top of it. I beg the forum's pardon.
Thank you Jim Wyant.
Flintlock
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I wonder where they got the stat that "thousands of CCW holders are responsible for acts of guns violence." Any statistics I have read show vehemently that CCW holders are among the very most law-abiding group of citizens that exist in our fine nation.
Meer hogwash and skewed lies by the organization that doesn't believe in facts, only feelings...
I wonder where they got the stat that "thousands of CCW holders are responsible for acts of guns violence." Any statistics I have read show vehemently that CCW holders are among the very most law-abiding group of citizens that exist in our fine nation.
Meer hogwash and skewed lies by the organization that doesn't believe in facts, only feelings...
uncoolperson
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Flintlock wrote:
well if you look, they point out arrests.... i wonder what classifies as an arrest? I mean, how many on this board could say they've been arrested ('not free to go') because of a weapon.
http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/research/?page=incident&menu=gvr
don't we normally use conviction in our cited stats?
(sorry if this is in accurate, not enough time to research tonight)
Flintlock wrote:
well if you look, they point out arrests.... i wonder what classifies as an arrest? I mean, how many on this board could say they've been arrested ('not free to go') because of a weapon.
http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/research/?page=incident&menu=gvr
don't we normally use conviction in our cited stats?
(sorry if this is in accurate, not enough time to research tonight)
Flintlock
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uncoolperson wrote:
uncoolperson wrote:
Brady is notorious for skewing statistics and I will have to further research on my own to seewhat the truth entails. However, one thing they left out was how many permit holders there are.. If there are 500,000 permit holders and 1,000 people had their permit revoked, then it is not nearly as bad as they are making it out to be. Also, what constitutes a reason for a permit being revoked in Florida? Reckless driving? DUI? Disturbing the peace? Drunk in public? Or does it happen to be only "violent" crimes.. Brady will always skew the stats to benefit their lying schemes and brainwashing of the American people..
AbNo
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"Do we really want to give guns to binge-drinking college kids?"
Nice to know what the Brady Bunch's opinion of college students is. :X
"Do we really want to give guns to binge-drinking college kids?"
Nice to know what the Brady Bunch's opinion of college students is. :X
johnnyb
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i threw up.
f the anti gun faggots
i threw up.
f the anti gun faggots
Felid`Maximus
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AbNo wrote:
AbNo wrote:
Either they are a fan of binge-drinking drunkennessor they want to ban college students. Either way, keep people too dumb to see through their lies.
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They insult college students by calling them too 'young and immature' to have guns, and they call them binge drinkers, yet the anti-gun politicians (best example is Obama right now) have no problem taking those same college students' votes come election time. I've come to the conclusion that most college students really are that dumb and naive. I mean, after all, they do buy into the whole liberal leftist ideology while in college.
I am a college student myself and am just describing what I see every day on campus
They insult college students by calling them too 'young and immature' to have guns, and they call them binge drinkers, yet the anti-gun politicians (best example is Obama right now) have no problem taking those same college students' votes come election time. I've come to the conclusion that most college students really are that dumb and naive. I mean, after all, they do buy into the whole liberal leftist ideology while in college.
I am a college student myself and am just describing what I see every day on campus
uncoolperson
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nova wrote:
I'm still stuck on (rough quote... can't find the mp3 i recorded) "[insert some precursor of man, forgot the name] lost the hair on their body as an adaption to colder climates... retained the hair on their head because it has a cooling effect... [about hair on head] helps retain heat" just being eaten up wholesale without explanation.
nova wrote:
From what i see they buy into and preach anything they are told, as though faculty are some form of all knowing deities.
I'm still stuck on (rough quote... can't find the mp3 i recorded) "[insert some precursor of man, forgot the name] lost the hair on their body as an adaption to colder climates... retained the hair on their head because it has a cooling effect... [about hair on head] helps retain heat" just being eaten up wholesale without explanation.
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I like the part where more gun owners use crack cocaine than non-gun owners. Maybe if you're taking a poll of gangsters, who own guns illegally. I wonder what the gang members think about abiding laws, you know, since they aren't obeying the ones we already have.
I like the part where more gun owners use crack cocaine than non-gun owners. Maybe if you're taking a poll of gangsters, who own guns illegally. I wonder what the gang members think about abiding laws, you know, since they aren't obeying the ones we already have.
imperialism2024
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It is kind of funny to see the faulty logic used in the document... Primarily, A is a subset of B, therefore A equals B. Used over and over and over again.
At least there was some substance to it besides an appeal to emotion, which is what most anti-gun pieces rely on these days. But it was entertaining how just about all of their direct correlations indicating college students = bad, all lacked citations, and all of the indirect correlations had at most one citation.
Maybe the writers of the paper need to go back to college...
It is kind of funny to see the faulty logic used in the document... Primarily, A is a subset of B, therefore A equals B. Used over and over and over again.
At least there was some substance to it besides an appeal to emotion, which is what most anti-gun pieces rely on these days. But it was entertaining how just about all of their direct correlations indicating college students = bad, all lacked citations, and all of the indirect correlations had at most one citation.
Maybe the writers of the paper need to go back to college...