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New Sheriff in Town? "Oliver North takes on red flag laws"

FreedomVA

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OC citizens will the first target when this law goes national.

cops can see you as a threat when they see you OC, giving us less standing, making up whatever excuses under prob cause to obtain reasonable suspension to obtain ERPO
 
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Another potential source of jammer’s confusion; North appeared as a character witness for a LCpl accused in the Son Thang Massacre, saying that Herrod had previously saved his life.
come on doug...quite trying to justify his post(s)...it is the 21 century and wiki is and has been alive and well for a day or two and librarys have good internet connectivity.
 

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NRA-ILA just sent me the following, FYI:
I'm including only portions relevant to my counterpoint:

Not only does NRA oppose Senator Rubio’s bill, but we have not supported ANY of the 14 “red flag” bills that have been enacted into law.

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Our opposition to all these legislative proposals is steeped in our steadfast commitment to protecting the due process rights of law-abiding Americans; something that these bills to date have failed to do. In keeping with our commitment to upholding the constitutional due process rights of all Americans, NRA will continue to strongly oppose any proposal that does not fully protect these rights.

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As noted previously, NRA fights for the constitutional freedoms, including the due process rights, of all law-abiding Americans, every day in Congress, the statehouses and the courts. Our record on this is clear. Due process of law is a bedrock of our constitutional freedoms.

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All 50 states currently have civil commitment procedures and many lack basic due process protections. This is unacceptable. The NRA believes that no one should be deprived of a fundamental right without due process of law.

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The NRA opposes any effort to create a federal ERPO law, in which federal agents would be tasked with seizing firearms after a hearing in federal court. As states consider ERPO laws, the NRA will continue to fight for the inclusion of strong due process protections.

Again, the NRA will continue to oppose any proposal that does not fully protect due process rights.

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NRA-ILA Grassroots
Does anyone else see the NRA's major malfunction, here? Whoever wrote this drivel has "due process" on their brain. They are missing the MAIN POINT: The Second Amendment is NOT about "due process." It's an absolute moratorium against any and all infringement against the right of the people to keep and bear arms:

"...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

No room either exists nor is needed in the Second Amendment for "due process" because the Second Amendment contains absolutely zero conditions, either stated or implied.

Due process comes into play in the Fourth Amendment, where the people are free from search and seizure unless a judge-issued warrant is based on sworn affidavit adhering to certain requirements.

That's due process.

The Second Amendment needs zero due process because is expressly and without condition utterly bans/prohibits any infringement on the right of the people to keep (own/possess) and bear (carry) arms.

The Second Amendment is the result of several earlier versions and a number of counter-proposals which did include such provisions. They were thoroughly discussed and rejected due to their introduction of various slipper slopes which our Founding Fathers knew would result in its quick erosion. Therefore, they decided the only way to protect it was to make in an absolute imperative, with zero room for exceptions.

NRA-ILA doesn't realize what it's doing by focusing on "due process." They are undermining our Second Amendment, allowing law enforcement and the courts to quickly erode it. Oh, sure, they'll nail the due process all right, and before long, you'll find all sorts of case law soon to be cited to allow law enforcement to confiscate your firearms every time you make a disparaging remark in public, including online.

The NRA-ILA's over focus on "due process" will quickly erode our First Amendment rights, as well. Soon, no one will be able to protect our Second Amendment because such comments can be seen by some as sufficient justification to confiscate one's arms.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I've said it for a long time: "The First protects the Second and the Second protects the First. Together, they protect them all." Attempts to erode either the First or Second Amendments, even if it's by the NRA-ILA itself, even when done unwittingly, dramatically undermine both amendments.

The NRA-ILA's focus is DEAD WRONG. They need to re-focus before they open wide the gates of destruction to BOTH our amendments.
 

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[Reply deleted.

The reply that had been here has been moved to the thread containing the quote from the above post.

There is a danger here of parallel discussions in two threads which will cause confusion, including a glut of you-didn’t-answer-my-questions.]
 

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OC citizens will the first target when this law goes national.

cops can see you as a threat when they see you OC, giving us less standing, making up whatever excuses under prob cause to obtain reasonable suspension to obtain ERPO
JMO but if the Fed is foolish enough to pass a Stalinist like law like red flag, and try to enforce it this country in most states is in for a very wild bumpy ride.
 

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i believe as of right now, most of us will give in for one reason or another, then the Stalinist puppet master that run the show in the background will rear their ugly heads to take over.

I see them turning the knob on every doors now, testing to see which one will stay open for them to enter
 

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i believe as of right now, most of us will give in for one reason or another, then the Stalinist puppet master that run the show in the background will rear their ugly heads to take over.
Give in if you like. There are enough folks that wont that you likely won't have too before that fed foolishness is repealed post haste or struck down at the first challenge.
 

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lets hope not.....i have a bad feeling coming
Honestly I dont think they are that stupid. Passing that law in some states you just get the few killed that already have been..
.Try to shove it over in most other states LE will be trying to deal with groups, not complying and backing each other up. Not 20 cops 's 1 patriot
 

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alot of States are gaining grounds and have enacted them laws already after those shooting. It's just a matter of time.
13 states I think. Far from a majority and mostly where it's a given there would be little resistance.

Trust the fed knows alot of states Rex flag is not enforceable nor would the local LE be dumb enough to try.
 

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13 states I think. Far from a majority and mostly where it's a given there would be little resistance.

Trust the fed knows alot of states Rex flag is not enforceable nor would the local LE be dumb enough to try.
When this country was being founded, society had a different comradery than now....unfortunately, as i said before most will choose Big Mac's over their guns.
 

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When this country was being founded, society had a different comradery [sic] than now....unfortunately, as i said before most will choose Big Mac's over their guns.
Might wish to examine burr/hamilton level of camaraderie these two forefather’s exhibited towards each other.
 

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their will always be a equal to opposite, a sun and a moon but as a whole of the founding of this country was truly united for the common belief.
 

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their will always be a equal to opposite, a sun and a moon but as a whole of the founding of this country was truly united for the common belief.
3% of the colonies population supported the revolution and or fought in it.
The rest were wait and see or supporters of the crown.
 
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