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New research suggests that background check laws hamper suicide prevention

JoeSparky

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Ther are no suicide servivors. Those intent on doing so will.
I have dealt with too many failed suicides in my professional life. Have cynically thought of a suicide "help" line especially for the 3rd and 4th failed attempts!

You don't need to know what kind of device or tool was used to send this
 
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solus

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Ther are no suicide servivors. Those intent on doing so will.

valid point grape, those intending self harm will continue until their logical end is reached.

I have dealt with too many failed suicides in my professional life. Have cynically thought of a suicide "help" line especially for the 3rd and 4th failed attempts!

w/o personal intervention, suicide hot lines are a dismal failure, especially for those attention seeking individuals engaged in multiple attempt at self harm.

ipse
 

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http://libertyparkpress.com/research-hints-that-background-check-laws-may-hamper-suicide-prevention

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New research published this week in an issue of the JAMA Internal Medicine suggests that gun control laws requiring background checks for even temporary transfers of firearms may hamper suicide prevention efforts, according to Fox News.

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Makes sense.

The greatest problem here in America has often involved micromanagement. If I need to drop off a firearm with someone who is trusted because I'm house someone who cannot or should not be trusted around firearms, I do not need government impeding me from doing so, thereby increasing the risk instead of decreasing it.
 

Maverick9

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Premise: New background checks (or gun control) laws "hamper suicide prevention". Did I get that right?

So we're hampering prevention. (scratches head) Leaving "suicide".

Conclusion:
Ergo, free guns prevent suicide.

Ergo, laws cause suicide.


Am I rite?


We need to run this through Legal. Do they have a babelfish.

I am not even certain I got the beginning quote right, i.e in context from the article (which I didn't read). LOL.
 

davidmcbeth

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Another means to remove guns from the citizenry.

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2007/10/08/common-signs-of-someone-who-may-be-suicidal/

Hmm...interesting list of "symptoms."

Background checks = documented dismal failure. Government at its best, encouraged by a lie...and gullible, ignorant citizens.

I say all those things right after I get my Mr. Winky stuck in my zipper.

I don't run off and pay debts .. but I'm always planning my new gat ... and I do give away stuff .. and I'm always going to the bathroom (like 2-3 times a day) ..and every time I eat I gain weight ... and I deal with people in CT, so I have to talk slow ...

The lizzurds must think we are all suicidal then ...
 

utbagpiper

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Makes sense.

The greatest problem here in America has often involved micromanagement. If I need to drop off a firearm with someone who is trusted because I'm house someone who cannot or should not be trusted around firearms, I do not need government impeding me from doing so, thereby increasing the risk instead of decreasing it.

+1

I trust I'm not the only who has informally stored firearms for friends or family members who, acting in an abundance of caution, felt it prudent to remove the guns from their homes for a short period of marital turmoil, personal depression, etc. How many gun owners are going to exercise that degree of caution if they are required to go through formal transfers with both background checks and putting their guns back on the books in the process?

Not to mention all kinds of other stupid inconveniences if even temporary transfers require government involvement to be legal. A bunch of friends carpooling to the range or hunting area now have to make sure that everyone's guns stay in the same vehicle as the owner, rather than being able to put guns into the travel trailer or the truck with the camper shell regardless of who is riding in which vehicle. I can lend or sell virtually ever other piece of property I own--power tools, books, cars, dirt bikes, fishing and archery equipment, grandma's fine china--without government getting involved. But now some gun haters are trying to make a case that the one item I own with specific constitutional protection should be subject to all kinds of limitations on lending, borrowing, selling, or who stores it where??!?!?

Charles
 

utbagpiper

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When I divorced an aeon or a decade ago, I claimed attorney-client privilege while I transferred my guns to my attorney.

Not a bad idea at the time. But if I'm not mistaken, attorney-client privilege doesn't extend to any act in which the attorney is party to a crime. Under (some of??) the proposed universal registration and background check laws, an attorney can no more take possession of a gun sans government paperwork and approval than could anyone else.

Charles
 
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