Orygunner wrote:
The video is worth watching, because Obama is misquoted above:
He pledges to uphold 2A for self protection as well as sports,
And that he will not, and does not want to, take guns away from anyone but criminals and the mentally ill.
Then, referring to "your gun"he says:
"By the way, here's another thing you got to understand:
Even if I wanted to take it away, I couldn't get it done. I don't have the votes in Congress. . .
This can't be the reason not to vote for me; because your guns, we're not going to mess with them."
IMHO:
1. there is no difference between what Obama says about his opinions on guns in this video, and McCain's declared positions on guns;
2. what Obama says about votes for gun control in Congress is correct.
The Donkey wrote:Orygunner wrote:
The video is worth watching, because Obama is misquoted above:
He pledges to uphold 2A for self protection as well as sports,
And that he will not, and does not want to, take guns away from anyone but criminals and the mentally ill.
Then, referring to "your gun"he says:
"By the way, here's another thing you got to understand:
Even if I wanted to take it away, I couldn't get it done. I don't have the votes in Congress. . .
This can't be the reason not to vote for me; because your guns, we're not going to mess with them."
IMHO:
1. there is no difference between what Obama says about his opinions on guns in this video, and McCain's declared positions on guns;
2. what Obama says about votes for gun control in Congress is correct.
Sorry not buying it.
I don't think this quote is taken out of context. Yeah I know McCain has said he was for closing the 'private sale loophole' but I feel he will listen to my objections to it more than Obama will and don't claim Obama was talking about full autos, the AWB had nothing to do with them.
http://obama.senate.gov/speech/070715-remarks_of_sena_12/
Part of the solution has to come from government. And government has to care. Each year, thousands of guns are sold without the dealer doing a background check. And many unscrupulous dealers are exploiting the system by operating full-fledged businesses without following federal gun laws. To make sure guns don't end up in the wrong hands, we need to close the gun show loophole and tighten our background checks by improving the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. And we need to make the expired Assault Weapon ban permanent. A couple of weeks ago, cops found an AK-47 near a West Side School. That type of weapon belongs on a battlefield, not on our streets.
There are a lot more issues than just AWB and Gun Shows at stake. There may be issues like National Parks and the DC gun ban, how the BATFE goes about their enforcement of gun laws, who gets sent to the UN to fight IANSA, and probably unforseen situations that are in direct control of the executive branch. Obama has convinced me that in an executive capacity he won't be a friend of the RKBA.
longwatch wrote:The Donkey wrote:Orygunner wrote:
The video is worth watching, because Obama is misquoted above:
He pledges to uphold 2A for self protection as well as sports,
And that he will not, and does not want to, take guns away from anyone but criminals and the mentally ill.
Then, referring to "your gun"he says:
"By the way, here's another thing you got to understand:
Even if I wanted to take it away, I couldn't get it done. I don't have the votes in Congress. . .
This can't be the reason not to vote for me; because your guns, we're not going to mess with them."
IMHO:
1. there is no difference between what Obama says about his opinions on guns in this video, and McCain's declared positions on guns;
2. what Obama says about votes for gun control in Congress is correct.
Sorry not buying it.
I don't think this quote is taken out of context. Yeah I know McCain has said he was for closing the 'private sale loophole' but I feel he will listen to my objections to it more than Obama will and don't claim Obama was talking about full autos, the AWB had nothing to do with them.
http://obama.senate.gov/speech/070715-remarks_of_sena_12/
Part of the solution has to come from government. And government has to care. Each year, thousands of guns are sold without the dealer doing a background check. And many unscrupulous dealers are exploiting the system by operating full-fledged businesses without following federal gun laws. To make sure guns don't end up in the wrong hands, we need to close the gun show loophole and tighten our background checks by improving the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. And we need to make the expired Assault Weapon ban permanent. A couple of weeks ago, cops found an AK-47 near a West Side School. That type of weapon belongs on a battlefield, not on our streets.
Only by mindreading can we distinguish McCain's endorsementof gunshow loophole closing from Obama's. Both don't see a problem with this gradualist backdoor to gun registration, and they have had plenty of time to think about it and get advise about it.
I am prepared to take McCain at his word because he doesn't gain anythingby being on the side of the "anti"s here. And because he is republican, he stands a better chance (whatever the chances) of getting the darn thing passed.
As to AWB, it wouldn't take anybodys guns away, but would impose arbitrary and ridiculous restrictions on the importation and transfer of guns and gun receivers, just like it did before. Has to -- it is the nature of the beast.Congress recognizes this, and just doesn't want to go there. They know that they will get thumped if they renew it, and cannot figure out how to redo it otherwise.
Even if you are right and Obama doeswant the AWB, and is not persuadable,I count at least 54 hardened votes against AWB renewal in the Senate. I just see no way around the math, even if, God Forbid,there werethree Columbines in a month.
That fact has just gotta factor into decisions about Presidents and veeps.
There are otherissues where who we pick can make a difference. Make no mistake, these guys and gal have the power to wreck everything -- just not in re firearms (at least not now).
I see theRepublican candidates as detached from reality in their wishful thinking on national security, taxes, trade and the environment.McCain has not always been this bad, but we just gotta take him athis word about where heis now, as opposed to the "Maverick" he may once have been.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if elected, our new Messiahdoesn't even have to do that. With the right judges, it's good-bye 2-A and anything else onhis wish list.He could just set back and claim thathe didn't do it, it was the courts that did it.
:what:
The Donkey wrote:That doesn't make sense. Why would he only want to disarm his political base?
:celebrate
