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ND at Salem Gun Show?
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Glock_21Carrier
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probably bumped into you, i was in khaki pants and a green polo. maybe ya spotted me haha.
Thats pretty negligent, i left apprx 15 minutes before that time.
sets a poor example. "it happens"
Glocky.
probably bumped into you, i was in khaki pants and a green polo. maybe ya spotted me haha.
Thats pretty negligent, i left apprx 15 minutes before that time.
sets a poor example. "it happens"
Glocky.
hsmith
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Glock_21Carrier wrote:
Just shows you need to follow proper firearm practices even with "unloaded" guns!
Glock_21Carrier wrote:
wasn't me :lol: - jsut from AR15.com
Just shows you need to follow proper firearm practices even with "unloaded" guns!
ProShooter
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If you hear a click sound, that'll be someone turning out the lights at the "last gun show ever held in Virginia".
Stupid people are going to ruin it for everyone.
If you hear a click sound, that'll be someone turning out the lights at the "last gun show ever held in Virginia".
Stupid people are going to ruin it for everyone.
curtiswr
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Glad you're okay. Good thing no one was hurt, gun shows can get pretty densely populated. :shock:
Glad you're okay. Good thing no one was hurt, gun shows can get pretty densely populated. :shock:
HankT
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posted at arf.com:
posted at arf.com:
Pattern?ND at a gunshow in VA?
Color me surprised...
Way too common when I lived there.
The three times I went to the Richmond Speedway/Fairgrounds Gunshow all had NDs.
On one instance it was twice in one show:
The one I remember the most was a dealer who had a loaded bolt-action on his table.
A potential customer had his finger on the trigger as he picked it up and the rifle discharged.
The .270 took out two very expensive shotguns on the next dealer's table and I took out a stack of
gun boxes as I dove underneath the closest table.
My buddy laughed his ass off at me until about thirty minutes later when yet another dealer
decided to show someone his CCW piece and deftly put a round into the ceiling.
Time to leave.
To top it off this was a show where they couldn't sell ammo inside the main building.
Imagine the carnage that it would have been were it otherwise.
The Hampton Gunshow was pretty dangeous also. A couple there too.
The best there was a dealer showing a customer a revolver that had been on a theft prevention loop.
Handing it to the customer, the customer pulling a live round out of his pocket to see if the ammo he
had at home 'would fit', sighting it on one of the overhead lights. The dealer managed to take
it away from the customer but also managed to fire it into the bleachers as soon as he had it in
his hands.
BTW: Do they still have some of those shady gunshows at a showplace out in the middle of nowhere?
IRRC it was out west of Richmond.
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HankT wrote:
OK, the above has enough holes to drive a fleet of trucks through - all going sideways in single file. I'm not going to list them. Those of you that know the Richmond gun shows will have noticed them too.
Yes, NDs are bad for everyone, and if they keep happening could put a crimp in the exhibitors' willingness to host them. But unlike HankT I do not see a pattern here, just a few incidents stretched out over an extended period of time. Some of the incidents "reported" are because of complacency, some are because of stupidity. I know of some dealers that have been "invited" not to return to any shows put on by certain promoters because of irresponsible behavior - NDs being only the worst possible. Now if only they could effectively ban certain customers.
stay safe.
skidmark
HankT wrote:
posted at arf.com:Pattern?ND at a gunshow in VA?
Color me surprised...
Way too common when I lived there.
The three times I went to the Richmond Speedway/Fairgrounds Gunshow all had NDs.
On one instance it was twice in one show:
The one I remember the most was a dealer who had a loaded bolt-action on his table.
A potential customer had his finger on the trigger as he picked it up and the rifle discharged.
The .270 took out two very expensive shotguns on the next dealer's table and I took out a stack of
gun boxes as I dove underneath the closest table.
My buddy laughed his ass off at me until about thirty minutes later when yet another dealer
decided to show someone his CCW piece and deftly put a round into the ceiling.
Time to leave.
To top it off this was a show where they couldn't sell ammo inside the main building.
Imagine the carnage that it would have been were it otherwise.
The Hampton Gunshow was pretty dangeous also. A couple there too.
The best there was a dealer showing a customer a revolver that had been on a theft prevention loop.
Handing it to the customer, the customer pulling a live round out of his pocket to see if the ammo he
had at home 'would fit', sighting it on one of the overhead lights. The dealer managed to take
it away from the customer but also managed to fire it into the bleachers as soon as he had it in
his hands.
BTW: Do they still have some of those shady gunshows at a showplace out in the middle of nowhere?
IRRC it was out west of Richmond.
OK, the above has enough holes to drive a fleet of trucks through - all going sideways in single file. I'm not going to list them. Those of you that know the Richmond gun shows will have noticed them too.
Yes, NDs are bad for everyone, and if they keep happening could put a crimp in the exhibitors' willingness to host them. But unlike HankT I do not see a pattern here, just a few incidents stretched out over an extended period of time. Some of the incidents "reported" are because of complacency, some are because of stupidity. I know of some dealers that have been "invited" not to return to any shows put on by certain promoters because of irresponsible behavior - NDs being only the worst possible. Now if only they could effectively ban certain customers.
stay safe.
skidmark
TexasNative
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Hank, you seem to have fallen prey to the common misconception that the plural of "anecdote" is "data."
~ Boyd
Hank, you seem to have fallen prey to the common misconception that the plural of "anecdote" is "data."
~ Boyd
GWRedDragon
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TexasNative wrote:
No NDs at the gunshow the time I went there...
If there were multiple NDs at every show they would never get insurance, and we probably would be hearing about people getting shot.
TexasNative wrote:
:lol::lol::lol:
No NDs at the gunshow the time I went there...
If there were multiple NDs at every show they would never get insurance, and we probably would be hearing about people getting shot.
HankT
State Researcher
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TexasNative wrote:
Boyd, I think you mean "information," not "data."
In any case, here is some other, um, words from the arf.com thread. Some guy named kraftwerk. (Great band.)
kraftwerk wrote:
"Data" or "anecdote?"
We know this from experience. It is "information" that is solid: Those antis should not be trusted. Theywill do anything! :cuss:
TexasNative wrote:
Boyd, I think you mean "information," not "data."
In any case, here is some other, um, words from the arf.com thread. Some guy named kraftwerk. (Great band.)
kraftwerk wrote:
"Data" or "anecdote?"
We know this from experience. It is "information" that is solid: Those antis should not be trusted. Theywill do anything! :cuss:
TexasNative
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HankT wrote:
The reason I didn't say "information" was that the anecdotes you provided most certainly weren't useful information. And, it's a fairly common phrase. You should look it up. You could start with a Google site search on the terms "anecdote" and "data" at this web site, now sadly defunct.
~ Boyd
HankT wrote:
That's odd, Hank. I said "data." What makes you think I meant something other than what I said? Do you have problems actually reading what people write, or are you in the habit of imposing your thoughts and opinions on others?
The reason I didn't say "information" was that the anecdotes you provided most certainly weren't useful information. And, it's a fairly common phrase. You should look it up. You could start with a Google site search on the terms "anecdote" and "data" at this web site, now sadly defunct.
~ Boyd
hsmith
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Man has been charged
Man charged in Salem gun show mishap
Thomas Raymond Allen was helping a friend when an antique rifle went off at the Salem Civic Center.
By Adriana Gomez Licon
981-3114
Man injured when rifle fires during Salem gun show
The man who was injured when an antique rifle discharged during a gun show at the Salem Civic Center on Saturday has been charged with a misdemeanor count of recklessly handling a firearm, Salem officials said.
Thomas Raymond Allen, 52, of Max Meadows was helping a friend who is a gun dealer replace the stock on the rifle when the military-style firearm went off, Lt. Mike Green said.
As a result of the discharge, concrete fragments were sprayed and caused superficial wounds to Allen's face, city officials said. He was treated and released from Lewis-Gale Medical Center on the same day.
Allen faces up to 12 months in jail or a $2,500 fine or both if convicted.
Loaded firearms are not permitted at the gun show. An employee with the event promoter, C&E Gun Shows, checked guns at the entrance to make sure they were not loaded, said Carey Harveycutter, Salem's director of civic facilities.
"The weapon in question did not come in through the front door of the civic center," he said.
The rifle was brought in by one of the gun dealers, he said.
"The dealers are expected to come with all their guns checked," Salem spokesman Mike Stevens said.
A Salem police officer and a lieutenant worked to secure the event, and a Virginia State Police sergeant and trooper were also at the civic center.
State police spokeswoman Corinne Geller said event promoters are in charge of coordinating security procedures at private gun shows. State police are notified about gun shows so the Firearms Transaction Center is ready to handle the volume of criminal background checks.
Event promoters may request to have state police officers at gun shows.
Robert Steven Elliot, president of C&E Gun Shows, could not be reached for comment Monday. The next gun show hosted by the company at the Salem Civic Center is scheduled for September.
Between four and five years ago, there was another accident involving a firearm at the civic center, but no one was injured. A gun was being checked at the start of the show to ensure that it was empty and it accidentally went off, Stevens said.
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/212558
Man has been charged
Man charged in Salem gun show mishap
Thomas Raymond Allen was helping a friend when an antique rifle went off at the Salem Civic Center.
By Adriana Gomez Licon
981-3114
Man injured when rifle fires during Salem gun show
The man who was injured when an antique rifle discharged during a gun show at the Salem Civic Center on Saturday has been charged with a misdemeanor count of recklessly handling a firearm, Salem officials said.
Thomas Raymond Allen, 52, of Max Meadows was helping a friend who is a gun dealer replace the stock on the rifle when the military-style firearm went off, Lt. Mike Green said.
As a result of the discharge, concrete fragments were sprayed and caused superficial wounds to Allen's face, city officials said. He was treated and released from Lewis-Gale Medical Center on the same day.
Allen faces up to 12 months in jail or a $2,500 fine or both if convicted.
Loaded firearms are not permitted at the gun show. An employee with the event promoter, C&E Gun Shows, checked guns at the entrance to make sure they were not loaded, said Carey Harveycutter, Salem's director of civic facilities.
"The weapon in question did not come in through the front door of the civic center," he said.
The rifle was brought in by one of the gun dealers, he said.
"The dealers are expected to come with all their guns checked," Salem spokesman Mike Stevens said.
A Salem police officer and a lieutenant worked to secure the event, and a Virginia State Police sergeant and trooper were also at the civic center.
State police spokeswoman Corinne Geller said event promoters are in charge of coordinating security procedures at private gun shows. State police are notified about gun shows so the Firearms Transaction Center is ready to handle the volume of criminal background checks.
Event promoters may request to have state police officers at gun shows.
Robert Steven Elliot, president of C&E Gun Shows, could not be reached for comment Monday. The next gun show hosted by the company at the Salem Civic Center is scheduled for September.
Between four and five years ago, there was another accident involving a firearm at the civic center, but no one was injured. A gun was being checked at the start of the show to ensure that it was empty and it accidentally went off, Stevens said.
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/212558
Neplusultra
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LEO 229 wrote:
LEO 229 wrote:
Keep your booger hook off the bang switch.....
KBCraig
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I haven't kept stats, but it seems to me that the policy of clearing and zip-tying customer guns is irrelevent, because almost every ND at a gun show involves a dealer's gun.
I haven't kept stats, but it seems to me that the policy of clearing and zip-tying customer guns is irrelevent, because almost every ND at a gun show involves a dealer's gun.
Tomahawk
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This was a dealer gun? That can't be true. Those guys have licenses! Federal licenses! Surely a system of licensing would eliminate stupidity, wouldn't it?
This was a dealer gun? That can't be true. Those guys have licenses! Federal licenses! Surely a system of licensing would eliminate stupidity, wouldn't it?
GWRedDragon
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KBCraig wrote:
KBCraig wrote:
If they didn't zip-tie, NDs from customers would probably go up.
Neplusultra
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GWRedDragon wrote:
GWRedDragon wrote:
Maybe, but my carry weapon never leaves the holster when out in public, except when I'm using the toilet. Then it's safety on, unholster, reholster, safety off.
GWRedDragon
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Neplusultra wrote:
. The real threat is morons bringing in their gun to test-fit it for grips or something and not realizing it is loaded, or not caring.
Another option is to preserve OC but with a policy of it leaves the holster, you leave the building.
Neplusultra wrote:
I don't have a problem with that. Personally I'd have a CC-only policy, with anyone taking out their CC gun being ejected from the show with zero tolerance (except SD obviously, but we know that isn't likely :lol
. The real threat is morons bringing in their gun to test-fit it for grips or something and not realizing it is loaded, or not caring.Another option is to preserve OC but with a policy of it leaves the holster, you leave the building.