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Moms Demand Action after Target Now

solus

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I have no knowledge of any of this, but I do respect Mr Yon whom I follow on FB. He knows a LOT of people in the military with extensive background in both Afghanistan and Thailand:
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So, without any specific cite to back up your statements (or accepting responsibility for disseminating apparent misinformation) you are perpetuating hyperbole about an individual's health based on someone else's say so? oh wait, sorry, you respect the man cuz you follow them on FB...

and we state MOM is spreading misinformation...sigh

ipse
 

peter nap

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So, without any specific cite to back up your statements (or accepting responsibility for disseminating apparent misinformation) you are perpetuating hyperbole about an individual's health based on someone else's say so? oh wait, sorry, you respect the man cuz you follow them on FB...

and we state MOM is spreading misinformation...sigh

ipse

I'm not a follower of either so does anyone know if any of that is true?
 

Grapeshot

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Originally Posted by solus

So, without any specific cite to back up your statements (or accepting responsibility for disseminating apparent misinformation) you are perpetuating hyperbole about an individual's health based on someone else's say so? oh wait, sorry, you respect the man cuz you follow them on FB...

and we state MOM is spreading misinformation...sigh

I'm not a follower of either so does anyone know if any of that is true?

Don't know about the alleged health issue, but the dissension/animosity is very real - had to make use of my editing stick.
 

hsmith

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His post added just as much to the conversation as yours did.

This forum used to have interesting debate. If you'd like to actually post something that articulates a point, go for it.

Forcing private property owners into the debate who want nothing to do with the debate is childish and ill advised. They are seeking the wrong kind of attention and getting it. Target doesn't want to be politicized - they want to sell stuff. It is the wrong venue to push political agendas, since they want nothing to do with it. Unsure why people have a hard time with it.
 
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TFred

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It is impossible to normalize open carry without open carrying, individually and in groups. If a restaurant is accepting of infants and the problems associated with those infants, should MOMS then avoid those businesses and have their baby showers somewhere else?

I am amazed that nobody gets that there has been NO WEAPONS BANS, by any of these businesses. Only a weak statement to get the Moms who need to get laid off their back. There is no victory, people are still open carrying in Starbucks, and Chipotles.

The only victory that MDA has is with the weak minded gun owners who cannot see past their own selfish agenda.
I wish you were correct, but you are not. You overlook the critical fact that perception is reality, which correlates to the fact that the majority of the population, particularly on the gun-grabbing side of the spectrum, are not critical thinkers. Most of us here are, so we see through the chaff. Unfortunately, and the reason your assessment does not prevail is, that both kinds vote, and for now we are simply outnumbered.

When MDA gets a business to change from "we don't care" to "please leave your weapons at home," that is a clear win for them.

TFred
 

chcknhawk

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Yon Is A Pathological Liar

Michael Yon is a washed-up has-been who is pissed because he's been disembedded for his asshattery more times than Obama has said, "let me be clear." He knows he faces a libel and defamation suit if he comes back to the United States, so he hides in Thailand. I've been exposing his lies for years, which is why he doesn't like me. Here is a link to all the stories rebutting his nonsense: http://asp.militarygear.com/?s=michael+yon

He used to claim I was even busted to Sergeant First Class. He shut up when I posted a recent LES (pay stub). I'm about to retire as a First Sergeant. He's claimed that I was on a lake with Boy Scounts alone after dark. He shut up when I provided letters from the FOUR other leaders with me that not only was I not alone, but we were back before dark. He is constantly trying to puff himself up with lies about me.

It's interesting that he makes all these claims and has yet to provide ANY shred of proof. I came home from Afghanistan because I had skin cancer and they said it couldn't be removed in theater. Here is a picture taken a month and a half after I returned from Afghanistan.

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I was diagnosed with PTS in 2009 after my wife begged me to get help. I was in Iraq in 2003 serving with 3rd Infantry Division's 2nd Brigade Combat team. I crossed the border on the tip of the spear with 3/7 Cav. I participated in the An Hillah and Najaf campaigns with 4/64 Armor. I was hit with artillery and blown off the road I was on. I was hit with an AK round in the helmet at a lucky angle. I was with 1/64 Armor for both Thunder Runs into Baghdad. Then, I was with 3-15 Infantry in Fallujah. I've seen plenty of combat, been shot at more than I care to think about, been in more than a half dozen explosions, killed more people than anyone should ever have to, and searched the dead and rotting bodies of Iraq Soldiers and terrorists. In Iraq I lost three good friends, one of them in my arms after being shot in the head. I lost a good friend in Afghanistan.

Yon filed three separate complaints on me while I was in Afghanistan trying to do my job claiming I threatened to kill him. All three investigations were unfounded and that is why he was disembedded - this vendetta he has when he doesn't get his way.

Read the links I provided where I provide proof of all his lies. The guy is a pathological liar, I'm sure. Every time there is a mass shooting he mentions me, though I've never killed anyone in anger. He killed a guy in a bar fight in anger. Here's the link again to the proof Yon is just perpetuating a grudge: http://asp.militarygear.com/?s=michael+yon

CJ Grisham
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cj@opencarrytexas.org
 

Grapeshot

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The Yon and Grisham personal disagreement/animosity has nothing to do with either's position on OC; hence has no place here.

Yon's agrument is only presented second hand, w/o cite/confirmation. Therefore become baseless.

Grishim (chcknhawk) OTOH is a registered forum user/member and as such should know better than to engage in such discussion on these pages - it having nothing to do with OC.

Gentlemen, this will stop. This issue diverts serious discussion of the future of OC in Texas.
 

peter nap

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The Yon and Grisham personal disagreement/animosity has nothing to do with either's position on OC; hence has no place here.

Yon's agrument is only presented second hand, w/o cite/confirmation. Therefore become baseless.

Grishim (chcknhawk) OTOH is a registered forum user/member and as such should know better than to engage in such discussion on these pages - it having nothing to do with OC.

Gentlemen, this will stop. This issue diverts serious discussion of the future of OC in Texas.

While I agree completely that it has no place here Grapeshot, I have to accept some of the responsibility. I did ask if anyone knew if the allegations were true and quite honestly....I should have known better.

Sorry!

This thread should never have been except that it MAY have some impact on OC with handguns here, but the reality of that hasn't been shown yet.
 

Grapeshot

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Peter - it isn't the question that created the problem. It is the answers!

Any one of the principals could have, should have said, "It has nothing to do with OC or RKBA." That would have been the responsible way.
 

WalkingWolf

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Seems to me the best course of action is getting these type of posts deleted as soon as possible. I think we all are responsible for not reporting them the moment they are posted.
 

chcknhawk

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My apologies

The Yon and Grisham personal disagreement/animosity has nothing to do with either's position on OC; hence has no place here.

Yon's agrument is only presented second hand, w/o cite/confirmation. Therefore become baseless.

Grishim (chcknhawk) OTOH is a registered forum user/member and as such should know better than to engage in such discussion on these pages - it having nothing to do with OC.

Gentlemen, this will stop. This issue diverts serious discussion of the future of OC in Texas.

I was just responding to allegations against me in this forum as baseless since the allegations were tied to my work with Open Carry Texas. Anywhere this stuff is spread to new audiences, I have no choice but to respond. How do I report such non-OC related posts in the future?
 

Grapeshot

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I was just responding to allegations against me in this forum as baseless since the allegations were tied to my work with Open Carry Texas. Anywhere this stuff is spread to new audiences, I have no choice but to respond. How do I report such non-OC related posts in the future?
By PM to me works fine.

Baseless allegations are the same as personal attacks and will be dealt with accordingly when reported.

Most often you are better off taking the highroad and not getting into a whizzing contest - let the administration handle it.
 

jmelvin

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chcknhawk there is also a triangular icon with an exclamation mark in the lower left of each forum posting that should work to get a moderator's attention.
 

Grapeshot

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chcknhawk there is also a triangular icon with an exclamation mark in the lower left of each forum posting that should work to get a moderator's attention.
While I am supposed to get copies of all of those, I seldom do :(
 

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Well that's too bad. I'd read recently that a man with a violent past, left his unlawfully carried pistol in Target in South Carolina. I'm unsure how Target will claim to have a family friendly environment when they request that their customers not carry defensive items that criminals are already known to be carrying and leaving in their stores. Sloppy thinking Target management.

Despite 8 years of regular shopping and spending money in your stores, I'll stay out. I've done the same for Chipotle and Starbucks, both of which I visited regularly for over a decade before they asked my type to stay out.
 
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OC for ME

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"We've listened carefully to the nuances of this debate and respect the protected rights of everyone involved. In return, we are asking for help in fulfilling our goal to create an atmosphere that is safe and inviting for our guests and team members."
Nuances of the debate? Who is their PR team.

Nuance: a very small difference in color, tone, meaning, etc.

– and you can respect the 2nd Amendment and the safety of customers at the same time."
Nuance is not the word I associate to Demanding Mad Moms and their works to limit liberty in the name of safety.

To target, banning guns is not respecting the 2A...get a new PR team.
 
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