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Grapeshot

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This highjacking (minor) is too funny! Hawkflyer a liberal! :monkey

It is pile on time isn't it.

Yata hey
 

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Hawkflyer wrote:
mrbiggles wrote:
...SNIP

you don't understand the constitution. you are a big government liberal.

i wonder if you will still say LEOs job is to stop crimes before they happen when you are stopped and harassed for OC. because they thought you might commit a crime in the near future.

you will regret your stance one day, when its you who is on the other side of a LEOs gun. and you can say blah blah you aren't a criminal blah blah it won't happen blah.

pretty soon you will be a criminal. because they will make something you do illegal.
LOL:lol:

You have obviously not been reading this forum very much, and you certainly did not read what I wrote. Just to clear things up a bit I was on the other end of the gun once and you are right it is not fun. However, it did not cause me to lose complete control of my faculties as it apparently did in your case.

The fact is that police cannot stop all crime, but they can stop some. This is done through preemptive actions as in the case of the OP, or it is done through just being someplace. SO tell us if you will how many crimes has your armed presence stopped? 1, 20, 50, 0, or isit impossible to tell? Well that is the case with Law enforcement too. While it is easy to document how many people are arrested or even interdicted, there are no stats for crimes stopped just because the bad guy saw a LEO and decided not to commit a crime.

The real roll of the police is to maintain order and to bring persons accused of a crime before a court of proper jurisdiction. They do that by enforcing the laws that are on the books. Say if some one is wanted for murder in some state, it would be the DUTY of a LEO to bring that person to justice. In some cases the "lead" that allows the LEO to find the person is some suspicious activity on the part of the person. Oh wait that is what happened in this case so we already know you do not understand these simple facts.

Now my original point was that we pay LEOs to do just what this LEO did, and if you don't like that then your only CONSTITUTIONAL choice is to work to change the law. I don't blame this LEO for dong what we paid him to do any more than I blame you for not being able to understand what he did or discuss it without blaming the wrong people.

Regards
you'll regret your apathy towards big tyrannical government. probably sooner than later.

you deserve the govt you get. remember that.

i wonder if you would've been shot and killed if you would still make an excuse, they were just doing their job and being preemptive. :cry:

what a horrible can of worms, "preemptive law enforcement."
 

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mrbiggles wrote:
i wonder if you would've been shot and killed if you would still make an excuse, they were just doing their job and being preemptive. :cry:

SNIP...
Well... On my planet... that would be Earth. If I was shot and killed I would no longer have an opinion. So ...How does that work on your planet again?
 

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Grapeshot wrote:
This highjacking (minor) is too funny! Hawkflyer a liberal! :monkey

It is pile on time isn't it.

Yata hey

See this is what I get for associating with you guys. I make one lousy post supporting a LEO and by comparison It makes melook liberal to the unwashed. :lol::what:
Ahh ... wait a minute .... this isn't the ACLU web? Oh ... Never mind.
 

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mrbiggles, I'd understand your outrage if the incident were a clear cut case of JBT'ing, but from the information given, the officer saw something that he thought was amiss and decided to check it out. The guy in the car was doing all kinds of suspicious stuff, yet the officer didn't force him down and cuff him right then and there. In this case, he was driving around with his lights off, which made that car and driver a danger to others - topped off with the fact there's no constitutional protection for driving a car, when you endanger the lives of others then you're no longer using constitutionally protected rights.

If this guy had been some joe who forgot to turn on his lights, then no big deal - officer tells him he needs to turn on his lights, and bam it's over. It may very well have turned out that way if this particular fella had a couple of neurons to rub together. Evidently he didn't, as he'd already committed a crime elsewhere, and chose to make himself stand out with all kinds of suspicious activity.

Ask yourself this question: if you see someone walking along the street in front of your house with a mask on and a gun in hand, walking back and forth while looking at your house, wouldn't you be a little bit suspicious of his intent?
 

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Someone needs a sense of humor.

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Tomahawk wrote:
Someone needs a sense of humor.
SNIP...

You do know that MOST people like cats because they like to stroke the nice soft fur.

Without that they have almost no redeeming qualities. Although I have heard that when tipped upside down and properly dried they make good napkin holders.:what:

Regards
 

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Hawkflyer wrote:
Tomahawk wrote:
Someone needs a sense of humor.
SNIP...

You do know that MOST people like cats because they like to stroke the nice soft fur. 

Without that they have almost no redeeming qualities.  Although I have heard that when tipped upside down and properly dried they make good napkin holders.:what:

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Bah. My cat will put to shame your dog in terms of loyalty and affection. Your initial disinclination to accept what I say as fact only underlines the ignorance of your position. ;)
 

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According to "He who shall not be named" I have no fixed position. TO some extent he is correct. I think the French proved the weakness of fixed fortifications in WWII.

Just so we are clear, My dogs (yes plural) ate one of those as an appetizers at each meal. The kind with hair of course. By the way. Did you know that you can drop a cat from ANY height above 8 stories and it will survive the fall.

This is because the terminal velocity of a falling cat is about 60mph and they are built to survive an impact at that speed on all fours. this of course assumes that THE CAT HAS SUFFICIENT HAIR TO REDUCE ITS FREE-FALL SPEED.:lol:

Regards
 

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Geeminy I thought I was radical right wing :shock: but mrbiggles has me beat :lol:. I'm a truck driver I get stopped on occasion by whatcha call "Motor Vehicle Inspectors". Now generally these are just safety inspections but these fella's(and gals) do have guns on their hips. They have a job to do and I've found that generally they are pleasant and just want to make sure that I am operating my vehicle in a safe manner and that my equipment is fully operational IAW government standards.
NOW,,if that's government harrassment well maybe, does it serve a purpose,,I think so. ESPECIALLY if it takes just ONE truck that is unsafe off the road.
This LEO I think did a fine job,,and took one more BG out of the equation. Besides that,,he had big cajones:celebrate
 

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WOW, I never intended for this thread to wind up like this. I figured it would be a caliber war but dogsvs. cats and the illegal accostment of the BG wasn't part of the original thought. Even turning Hawkeye into a left wing liberal and all! :what:Just shows how much I am out of touch with reality I suppose. :cuss:I thought it was amazing that someone could take 22 rounds and still be in one piece. :shock:
 

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Hawkflyer wrote:
According to "He who shall not be named" I have no fixed position. TO some extent he is correct. I think the French proved the weakness of fixed fortifications in WWII.

Just so we are clear, My dogs (yes plural) ate one of those as an appetizers at each meal. The kind with hair of course. By the way. Did you know that you can drop a cat from ANY height above 8 stories and it will survive the fall.

This is because the terminal velocity of a falling cat is about 60mph and they are built to survive an impact at that speed on all fours. this of course assumes that THE CAT HAS SUFFICIENT HAIR TO REDUCE ITS FREE-FALL SPEED.:lol:

Regards
Can we test this with mine? He has no reason to be alive.
 

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Many great lessons in that incident even for those of us not in LE.

I really don't think that the story though is much of a statement either way about caliber. It seems from the story that most of the COM hits occurred after the LEO performed a tactical reload. From that point on the BG was in retreat without further return fire. Once COM hits were definitely occurring, the BG continued to function for the 3-4 minutes science tells us someones brain and body can continue to function after a fatal hit. One of the most important lessons I think from this is the realization that we must have, although an ambitious anti-gun prosecutor will be unlikely to acknowledge, that even a fatal COM shot is not an instant man stopper and that sometimes it takes a lot more rounds to speed up exsanguination to drop the BG before he can do you harm.

As to any unreasonable acts by the LE in the initial stop, mrbiggles, if you were any more off base and out in left field you would be sitting in the top row of the bleachers. The LEO didn't walk up and demand ID to start with. He saw suspicious activity and investigated. The BG upon spotting the cop made fast movements that were further suspicious leading to a request for him to step out of the car. As he did so, the LEO saw open alcohol in the vehicle. Now we have RAS for detention and investigation of a DUI including demanding "papers" i.e. a DL. IMO, this incident is about an LEO who was on the ball watching for suspicious behavior who probably saved lives by paying attention and taking the time to check out the driver.

ETA: I like Hawk's new BGL nickname. ;)
 
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