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Life In Dickson City

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So, I had to go to Family Court in Scranton a few days ago; I have to go every other month or so, to deal with some bull$hit my ex brings up. I had no problems checking in, but when I went to retrieve my crap on my way out, this little Super Mario-looking deputy started in with the "You shouldn't be bringing that in here," crap. Rather, he began to, but I quickly cut him off.

"Man, don't start with that $hit."

That caught him off guard, and shut him up quickly. Another deputy stifled a laugh. I signed out, and left.

Today, at Basilica's Pizza in Dickson City, with my fiance (MollyMayhem on Pafoa.org), an older gentleman approached us while we were eating. "Your gun is showing," he warned.

"I know." Molly rolled her eyes, expecting him to start trouble, but he simply said, "Okay. Hey, is that a .45?"

"Yep."

"Nice." he shuffled off. I finished eating my fat Sicilian slices and garlic knots. A bit later, we walked around Dick's Sporting Goods, and were followed by what I assume was a Loss Prevention/Security guy, who tried really hard to be inconspicuous while clumsily following us. We left there, went to Toys'R'Us, which used to have No Guns signs, but now are no longer posted, curiously. I walked around, bought a backpack for my daughter, and some other school supplies. No one said a word to me.
 
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Took a trip to Walmart the other night, with my son, The Squid. While doing my shopping, I ran into another guy open carrying! That never happens, unless it's one of the 3 guys I know who live in the area who open carry. He was carrying the latest rendition of the Remington 1911, the Enhanced version. We chatted for a bit, then I paid for my stuff and left, since the Squid was getting antsy. On my way out, a Dickson City PD patrolcar was parked out front, lights flashing. One of them jumped out and barked at me, "Hey! You the guy with the gun?"

I guess someone placed a MWAG call. Le sigh.

"Yeah."

"Where is it?"

"In a holster." I kept walking, pushing the cart in front of me.

"Can I see your permit?"

"No."

I continued through the parking lot. The officer got in his car, and followed me. When I got to my truck, he stopped, and barked out, "You don't want the attention, you should cover that damn thing up!"

"F^ck off, already," I replied, tiredly. He frowned, then drove off. I strapped my son into his seat, put my groceries away, and drove home, expecting the DCPD to pull me over, but it never happened.
 

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So, I had to go to Family Court in Scranton a few days ago; I have to go every other month or so, to deal with some bull$hit my ex brings up. I had no problems checking in, but when I went to retrieve my crap on my way out, this little Super Mario-looking deputy started in with the "You shouldn't be bringing that in here," crap. Rather, he began to, but I quickly cut him off.

"Man, don't start with that $hit."

That caught him off guard, and shut him up quickly. Another deputy stifled a laugh. I signed out, and left.

I literally laughed out loud when I read this! :lol:

Took a trip to Walmart the other night, with my son, The Squid. While doing my shopping, I ran into another guy open carrying! That never happens, unless it's one of the 3 guys I know who live in the area who open carry. He was carrying the latest rendition of the Remington 1911, the Enhanced version. We chatted for a bit, then I paid for my stuff and left, since the Squid was getting antsy. On my way out, a Dickson City PD patrolcar was parked out front, lights flashing. One of them jumped out and barked at me, "Hey! You the guy with the gun?"

I guess someone placed a MWAG call. Le sigh.

"Yeah."

"Where is it?"

"In a holster." I kept walking, pushing the cart in front of me.

"Can I see your permit?"

"No."

I continued through the parking lot. The officer got in his car, and followed me. When I got to my truck, he stopped, and barked out, "You don't want the attention, you should cover that damn thing up!"

"F^ck off, already," I replied, tiredly. He frowned, then drove off. I strapped my son into his seat, put my groceries away, and drove home, expecting the DCPD to pull me over, but it never happened.

Awesome. I hope if I ever have an encounter, I handle it like that!
 

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This morning I went to Walmart to get my 'scripts filled out. As usual, I had the Squizzard in tow (my son). Some waking past whispered, "Hey buddy, that's illegal."

"What is?"

"Carrying a gun like that."

"No it's not."

"Sure it is. I got a buddy who's a cop..."

"That's nice. Have good day." I walked off. I'm tired of hearing about everybody's buddy or cousin or whoever.
 

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had someone threaten to call the police.

I was making a deposit, and had the Squid in my left arm. I was standing in line, when I heard a sharp breathe, followed by a "What the hell!"

I turned to see an attractive woman in her late 40's staring at me. She was well groomed, dressed well, and smelled faintly of vanilla and hyacinth. I, on the other hand, smelled like sweat and vomitmouth. I've been sick for a couple of days, and barely had the energy to change clothes. But, them bills ain't gonna pay themselves, right?

"What are you doing with that in here?"

I looked confused, and said, "Well, I can't leave him in my truck by himself."

Her eyes narrowed. "You know goddamned well that's not what I'm talking about!"

One of the tellers spoke up. "Everything okay, Laura?"

"No, it's not! This guy has a gun!"

The teller looked over. "Oh, yeah, he always has that."

"Well, why haven't you called the police!"

"Uh, because it's not illegal?" I replied.

"YOU CAN'T HAVE A GUN IN A BANK. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT."

"Um, wrong. There's no law against it." The person ahead of me was done, and slinked away. I stepped toward, cash and deposit slip in hand. "The bank can impose its own rules, but I made my own position clear before I opener my account."

"IT'S A FEDERAL LAW THAT YOU CAN'T CARRY IN A BANK! I SHOULD CALL THE COPS!"

"No, IT'S NOT." My son started to squirm, Ans whimper a little. "Oh, good, now you scared my kid. Proud of yourself, *******?"

"You're scaring people with YOUR GUN!"

"Yeah, everyone here looks really ******* terrified, Laura. Why don't you **** off in that direction," I said, pointing to the door. "I swear to Christ, if my kid starts crying, you're gonna be real sorry you opened your mouth." I pulled out my phone.

"What are you doing?"

"Calling the police. You're harassing me and my boy."

"WHAT!?"

"You heard me, *******. Leave now, or I hit the send button."

She stormed out.

I got my receipt, and a lollipop for the Squid. Still, I have a feeling that a policy change is coming...
 

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Sunday, waiting for Molly's vanilla chai at Dunkin Donuts, a short chubby guy, also waiting for his order looks at me, and asked, "You a cop?"

"No." Annoyed, he then says, "You shouldn't be carryin' dat t'ing around, then!"

"Okay." My order was up. I grabbed it, turned back to the little guy, and asked, "Are you a talk show host?"

"What? No."

"You should shut the **** up, then." I left.
 

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Stopped at Dunkin Donuts for Molly's pumpkin spiced flavored coffee and a paper for us. I was wearing a crossdraw holster. As I walked in, two DC cops were walking out; one was tall and overweight, the other was short, and looked like a fighter. The fat one glared at me, but the scrappy one smiled, and chirped, "G'morning, sir!"

I nodded, and said, "Morning, officer." He smiled, and continued past me. They got in their cars, and left.

As I stood in line, another patrolman, this time an Olyphant one, walked in, and stood behind me. I ordered, then moved over to wait. He glanced down, and asked, "You got a permit for that?"

Le sigh.

"It's not concealed."

He paused, and looked to be thinking. He then said, "You maybe oughta cover it. Y'know, so you don't scare people."

"You mean, like cops?"

He frowned, and ignored me for the rest of the time I was there.
 

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Had a couple of good encounters at Walmart the other day, for a change. I was there to get some 'scripts filled. I had an hour to kill, so I threw my coat in my cart, and did some light shopping. I stopped by the "tactical" section to check out their stock; the ammo shelf was BARE. Not even a box of 9mm. The only handgun rounds I saw were some 44 Mag, and some. 32 stuff. There was another guy looking, and we began to chat. Within minutes, we discussed various sheriff's departments taking a stand against gun control measures, where to shoot locally, and other gun related politics. I shook his hand, and directed him here.

About a minute later, a Hispanic guy, with two kids, stopped me and asked what I know about rifles, which isn't much, admittedly. Luckily, he wanted to know more about laws; he recently moved here from NJ. Apparently, he was told by a PA cop that he had to live here at least a year to be eligible tor a LTCF, or buy a rifle.

I spent the next 10 minutes debunking all the ******** he was fed, then shook his hand, and directed him here. He was amazed, and thrilled, with open carry.

Finally, while I was paying for my groceries, some guy approached me, asking me about open carry; again, he was told by the issuing deputy that having a LTCF required him to conceal.

I schooled him, paid for stuff, and left. It feels good to help people sometimes.
 

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Oh man, the weather is ******* BEAUTIFUL. I can finally wear just tee shirts and shorts.

I took a drive into South Scranton yesterday to attend to some business, paying bills being part of it. First stop was the ATM at PNC Bank. I pulled up, parked, and walked up to the thing, taking out $300 for bills and stuff. A younger black guy was walking in my direction, and saw the cash in my hand. He stopped, and said, "Yo, loan me $20, son."

I just looked at him, then turned back to the machine, grabbing my receipt. He repeated himself. "Aye yo, wassup? You gon gimme dis twenty?"

"F*ck off."

He grinned. "What?"

I turned to face him, cash still in hand, and 1911 now fully visible. "I said, f*ck...off." his eyes kind of bugged out. "Yo, I was playin', fam. Don't jump off!"

"F*ck off. That way," I said, pointing across the street. He followed my directions.

The Weis Market across from the Dunkin Donuts has an instant pay system, so I stopped there. I used to live in the area, and one of the managers recognized me. As I stood in line, some guy started freaking out. I'm not gonna get into too much detail, because there was quite a bit of back and forth. I was dismissive at first, until he started to draw a crowd with his sissypants hysterics.

It ended with him threatening to call the police and tell them I was waving a gun around, and me pulling my phone out and dialing 911 for him I then threatened to file a harassment complaint. He called me a f@ggot, then stomped off.

I chatted with the manager a bit as I paid my bill, then, as I was leaving, some tall, skinny hippie kid in a security uniform approached me, asking to see my ID.

LMMFAO!

"Ummmm....no."

"But....why not!"

"Because I don't have to show it to a cop. You think I'm gonna show it to you?"

"But, you need a permit to carry that..."

"Excuse me," I said, as I walked past him, ignoring him.

I frickin' hate South Side.
 

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SNIP I continued through the parking lot. The officer got in his car, and followed me. When I got to my truck, he stopped, and barked out, "You don't want the attention, you should cover that damn thing up!"

"F^ck off, already," I replied, tiredly. He frowned, then drove off. I strapped my son into his seat, put my groceries away, and drove home, expecting the DCPD to pull me over, but it never happened.

That right there deserves a formal written complaint to the PD.

Extremely unprofessional conduct by the cop.

And, the cop plainly ignored your refused consent to an encounter with him.

And, the cop plainly revealed his intention to continue to give you "attention" unless you stop exercising an enumerated right. This was just another version of the attempts to discourage OC we've seen so many times in years past--"well, if you continue OCing, we're going to continue investigating you."

The proof is in the alternatives. Government can authorize the dispatchers to tell a caller "that's legal, ma'am." And, cops can observe from a distance without making contact.
 

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That right there deserves a formal written complaint to the PD.

Extremely unprofessional conduct by the cop.

And, the cop plainly ignored your refused consent to an encounter with him.

And, the cop plainly revealed his intention to continue to give you "attention" unless you stop exercising an enumerated right. This was just another version of the attempts to discourage OC we've seen so many times in years past--"well, if you continue OCing, we're going to continue investigating you."

The proof is in the alternatives. Government can authorize the dispatchers to tell a caller "that's legal, ma'am." And, cops can observe from a distance without making contact.

I must have missed the point where the OP declined to have a consensual encounter with the LEO. Could you point that out for us?

Oh, never mind, I found it - the very last line of the post:
F^ck off, already," I replied, tiredly. He frowned, then drove off. . . .

F^ck off, already
This clearly establishes the OP's desire for the encounter to stop.
He frowned, then drove off.
And the officer complied.
So why do you have a problem with this?
 

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I must have missed the point where the OP declined to have a consensual encounter with the LEO. Could you point that out for us?

Oh, never mind, I found it - the very last line of the post:


This clearly establishes the OP's desire for the encounter to stop.
And the officer complied.
So why do you have a problem with this?

LOL! The statists are out and about again.
 

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SNIP I must have missed the point where the OP declined to have a consensual encounter with the LEO. Could you point that out for us?

Uh, let's see: cop asks where's gun--he keeps walking but at least answers. Then cop asks to see permit, OCer refuses and walks off.

Now, somehow, most social personalities would have a hard time missing that the other party doesn't want an encounter. But, apparently this cop couldn't see it, nor could a certain statist on this board who needed it spelled out for him.

<snicker>


By the way, NotALawyer, were you going to comment on the cop's obvious attempt to discourage OC? Or, were you going to hope nobody noticed?
 
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Uh, let's see: cop asks where's gun--he keeps walking but at least answers. Then cop asks to see permit, OCer refuses and walks off.

Now, somehow, most social personalities would have a hard time missing that the other party doesn't want an encounter. But, apparently this cop couldn't see it, nor could a certain statist on this board who needed it spelled out for him.

<snicker>


By the way, NotALawyer, were you going to comment on the cop's obvious attempt to discourage OC? Or, were you going to hope nobody noticed?

Now, somehow, most social personalities would have a hard time missing that the other party doesn't want an encounter.
Actually, most reasonable people would see that for what it factually was; a simple answer to a simple question.

By the way, NotALawyer, were you going to comment on the cop's obvious attempt to discourage OC?
No need to point out the obvious fact that the LEO is not a fan of folks OC'ing. So what?
He did noting illegal, immoral, unethical, unprofessional, nor likely anything approaching a violation of Dept. policy.

The facts show the OP entered into a consensual encounter with the LEO, by answering the first question. Then continued active involvement with the encounter with his second answer. He did not state his desire to withdraw from the encounter until the end. At that point the LEO left.
None of these facts are in dispute.
 
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Actually, most reasonable people would see that for what it factually was; a simple answer to a simple question.

No need to point out the obvious fact that the LEO is not a fan of folks OC'ing. So what?
He did noting illegal, immoral, unethical, unprofessional, nor likely anything approaching a violation of Dept. policy.

The facts show the OP entered into a consensual encounter with the LEO, by answering the first question. Then continued active involvement with the encounter with his second answer. He did not state his desire to withdraw from the encounter until the end. At that point the LEO left.
None of these facts are in dispute.

Bwhahahhahahahahahaahaqha!!

Yeah, yeah. Focus on the facts, deny all reasonable inferences drawn, and then say that trying to discourage OC by barking about avoiding attention was not unprofessional.

Hahahhahahhahaahhaahahaa!!

Statist.
 

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Well, you're both correct, and incorrect. Did the cop do anything illegal? No. Was it immoral? Depends on your definition of immoral? Was it unethical? Again, it depends. Was it unprofessional? Without a doubt.did it warrant an official complaint? Maybe, if I felt like wasting the time to file one. At the time, I couldn't be bothered to. I don't regret not taking any action. I felt like telling him to eff off was enough. No need to bicker about it; you both have valid concerns and arguments to support both your opinions, guys. :)
 

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Bwhahahhahahahahahaahaqha!!

Yeah, yeah. Focus on the facts, deny all reasonable inferences drawn, and then say that trying to discourage OC by barking about avoiding attention was not unprofessional.

Hahahhahahhahaahhaahahaa!!

Statist.

reasonable
I'm not sure you understand the meaning of that word.

barking about avoiding attention was not unprofessional.
I can guarantee you, that does not rise to the level of conduct prohibited by his department!


Are you somehow related to a certain California member? Both of you seem to go off into left field, a lot!

Of course I focus on facts. That's all there is that matters, here.

You seem to have to some grand delusion that every cop that simply talks to someone is somehow nefarious therefore you must squeeze every contact (because to you no contact must ever be made), fit into your great conspiracy!

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
 

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Took my family to watch the fireworks display in Scranton on Wednesday night. I hate going to Scranton, especially downtown, where the courthouse is. Factor in the fact that a few thousand people where there, and I nearly didn't go.

But, I went, anyway. It wasn't so bad, aside from Molly having a mild panic attack from all the people around her, and the heat. We got there before 6pm, to find a decent parking spot.

While walking past some. Kids playing in a fountain, one kid screamed out, "HE'S GOT A GUN!" I whipped around, to see some kid pointing at me, and about a hundred people darting their heads around, some of whom saw me, then relaxed, shrugging. The kid's dad grabbed him, told him to shut up, and took off.

Molly went to wait in line for some ice cream. I waited with our boy in his stroller a few feet away, scanning the crowd. A guy walked up to me, and said, "It's probably a good idea to cover that up."

I stared at him, blankly.

"Did you hear me? I said..."

"I heard you. It's probably a good idea for you to keep walking." He waved a hand at me, the "get outta here" wave, and walked off.

I passed quite a few cops. None said a word, or even acknowledged I was armed. Well, except one. He kept walking past me, then would stop, and stand in my vicinity, and act like he wasn't really looking at me. He finally gave up when I turned to him, and winked.
 
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