legal guidance about carrying in/to/from this specific spot?

[brk913]

heck, our laws state permit holders can carry handguns in vehicles, and carry is defined as within arm's reach or whatever, but there are many people who get their permits revoked and guns seized for having their handgun sitting on the passenger seat or anywhere in plain view to outsiders. it's stupid, but it happens, all because of the vagueness of our laws.

When has this happened?

I was going to ask the same thing, you can have a gun sitting in plain view in your car, no issues at all. No statute I have ever read defines carry at all.

ETA: I am guessing you read it here as #5: http://www.ralphdsherman.com/LegalOpinion/How to get it revoked.htm

This is from an actual case but what that "bullet" doesn't tell you is the full story, I spoke with Atty. Sherman and this particular case the driver was accused of pointing the gun at another driver, the accused claims it was just sitting on the seat, the accuser was able to identify the style and color of gun to the police so an arrest was made in this one case. (I am guessing the guy really did point the gun at someone but that would make for a boring story).

 

[motoxmann]

ETA: I am guessing you read it here as #5: http://www.ralphdsherman.com/LegalOpinion/How to get it revoked.htm

yes that is one of them. except when I read it I definitely don't recall it having that bit at the end: "You should expect that another driver will report that you threatened him"

so yeah that piece of info does change some things haha

 

[Rich B]

This is from an actual case but what that "bullet" doesn't tell you is the full story, I spoke with Atty. Sherman and this particular case the driver was accused of pointing the gun at another driver, the accused claims it was just sitting on the seat, the accuser was able to identify the style and color of gun to the police so an arrest was made in this one case. (I am guessing the guy really did point the gun at someone but that would make for a boring story).

And this is something people need to be aware of in all aspects. Carrying openly or concealed can have a vindictive person try and lie about what you did or didn't do.

This is why I advise people to record all the time while carrying openly, not using their cell phone.

 

[brk913]

"You should expect that another driver will report that you threatened him"

This is also Atty. Sherman's stance on Open Carry, he feels someone will become upset with you and file a false report of threatening and since they know what your gun looks like, perhaps even the exact make and model that it will look bad for you the gun owner and likely result in the OC being arrested for threatening or a similar charge.

 

[Rich B]

This is also Atty. Sherman's stance on Open Carry, he feels someone will become upset with you and file a false report of threatening and since they know what your gun looks like, perhaps even the exact make and model that it will look bad for you the gun owner and likely result in the OC being arrested for threatening or a similar charge.

And we should be clear that this has nothing to do with our laws, but instead our justice system and dishonest people.

Protecting yourself isn't always just about carrying a firearm...

 

[motoxmann]

This is why I advise people to record all the time while carrying openly, not using their cell phone.

I often think about this myself. what type of recorder do you recommend?

 

[KYGlockster]

Missed this before, but a 'daycare' is not a 'school' and when you have a permit, there is no such thing as a 'school zone' for a firearm, there are only the 'buildings and real property' of the school itself that are prohibited.

The sign is retarded, but it is still expressing the intent of the property owner to prohibit firearms and that is likely to hold up in court, regardless of how stupid the owner's reasoning is.

The sign's intent is to keep firearms outside of a "school zone." This area is NOT a school zone, and therefore I do not see how the sign could hold any authority whatsoever. If the sign specifically stated that the property owner forbid the carrying of firearms, then yes, I would agree that the sign would have to be abided by (if these signs hold the weight of law in CT).

It is MY opinion that this sign is worthless, and can be ignored because it is NOT a school zone, and all the sign says is that firearms are not allowed in A school zone. It would be hard to prove mens rea when there was no intent to violate a sign that claimed to be banning firearms in a school zone when no such zone was present.

 

[motoxmann]

The sign's intent is to keep firearms outside of a "school zone." This area is NOT a school zone, and therefore I do not see how the sign could hold any authority whatsoever. If the sign specifically stated that the property owner forbid the carrying of firearms, then yes, I would agree that the sign would have to be abided by (if these signs hold the weight of law in CT).

It is MY opinion that this sign is worthless, and can be ignored because it is NOT a school zone, and all the sign says is that firearms are not allowed in A school zone. It would be hard to prove mens rea when there was no intent to violate a sign that claimed to be banning firearms in a school zone when no such zone was present.

I also agree with this.
which is the entire reason I started this thread lol.

also a reminder that school zones are not mentioned in any of our laws, only actual school property, and property used for school activities. so a sign simply "reminding people" that guns are not allowed in a school zone really is null and void because there is no such law of that in our state

I'm at a total loss as far as the best thing I can do at this point. carry? don't carry? attempt to get written permission from the owner(s) (possibly with a confidentiality clause)? anonymously contact the owners to notify them that their signs are bogus and either need to take them down or replace them with proper signs? I'm totally up for suggestion on any other options I havent mentioned

P.S. I'll be finding out in an hour or so if anything is mentioned in the lease agreement about firearms. hoping for a no, which would help me

 

[motoxmann]

well that was officially the longest lease agreement I've ever read through, and a resident handbook too. the only mention of anything related is the following word for word:
"the tenant is not permitted to display or use any firearms, bb guns, slingshots, or other weapons on the premises".

I see it only states "the tenant" and nothing about non-tenants. I also see it does not specify possession of or concealed carrying of firearms. so thats a good start.
"use of" is loosely worded though, which could imply use for self defense, or could simply be covering recreational use of...

thoughts on what I should do from here on out? referring to the questions in my above post

 

[Rich B]

I often think about this myself. what type of recorder do you recommend?

Something like this is usually more than enough:

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-ICD-BX11...SU26/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1354109628&sr=8-3