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Justifying the State of Emergency. Virginia Capital on Edge as F.B.I. Arrests Suspected Neo-Nazis Before Gun Rally NYT

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ya know dougie...great cite to read if you could...join now or sign up or just give us your email addy &

WE'LL LET YOU CONTINUE...​
 

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Get a better browser.

or dougie yoy might read the thread where the subject was reported initially...YESTERDAY!

Or let the NYT link and stink and cookie and lookie all over your computer.

Nemo

or like VA nemo said above...[tks]

i'll pass on changing browsers or venturing where harm might befall my security and trust you will become a more considerate poster by assuring the newspeek media links you believe are invaluable to the point your are making are accessible...fair?
 

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At any rate as I understand the gov is breaking state law,which bans disarming Virginians during a state of emergency.
 

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At any rate as I understand the gov is breaking state law,which bans disarming Virginians during a state of emergency.

do you have a judicial cite?

the VA judicial system upheld the governor's ~ rightly or not...
 

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17 jan 2020, 2000L dispatch re VA supreme court...
Citing the “extraordinary” nature of an injunction, the “weighty issues” involved and a lack of sufficient information, the Virginia Supreme Court on Friday evening refused an emergency petition seeking to bar enforcement of Gov. Ralph Northam’s temporary gun ban on the grounds of the state Capitol.

The ruling leaves in place the ban Northam imposed earlier this week, citing concerns about public safety at a gun-rights rally planned for Monday at the state Capitol that organizers say could draw 50,000 people. Northam’s order bars guns and other weapons from Capitol Square from Friday night through Tuesday night.

 

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do you have a judicial cite?

the VA judicial system upheld the governor's ~ rightly or not...

I'll try to look up the specific va statute. I might be mistaken but I'm pretty sure VA passed that statute close to the time ky did as a safeguard after Katrina.
 

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17 jan 2020, 2000L dispatch re VA supreme court...
Citing the “extraordinary” nature of an injunction, the “weighty issues” involved and a lack of sufficient information, the Virginia Supreme Court on Friday evening refused an emergency petition seeking to bar enforcement of Gov. Ralph Northam’s temporary gun ban on the grounds of the state Capitol.

The ruling leaves in place the ban Northam imposed earlier this week, citing concerns about public safety at a gun-rights rally planned for Monday at the state Capitol that organizers say could draw 50,000 people. Northam’s order bars guns and other weapons from Capitol Square from Friday night through Tuesday night.


I'll look it up. Just because a judge violates state statute doesn't mean he made a,lawful judgement.
 

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The statute is there but it isnt worded nearly as strongly as Kys is.
Here the governor could issue no such ban during an emergency

Apparently in Va the gov has wiggle room.

Empower the Governor, any political subdivision, or any other governmental authority to in any way limit or prohibit the rights of the people to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by Article I, Section 13 of the Constitution of Virginia or the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, including the otherwise lawful possession, carrying, transportation, sale, or transfer of firearms except to the extent necessary to ensure public safety in any place or facility designated or used by the Governor, any political subdivision of the Commonwealth, or any other governmental entity as an emergency shelter or for the purpose of sheltering persons;
 

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The statute is there but it isnt worded nearly as strongly as Kys is.
Here the governor could issue no such ban during an emergency

Apparently in Va the gov has wiggle room.

Empower the Governor, any political subdivision, or any other governmental authority to in any way limit or prohibit the rights of the people to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by Article I, Section 13 of the Constitution of Virginia or the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, including the otherwise lawful possession, carrying, transportation, sale, or transfer of firearms except to the extent necessary to ensure public safety in any place or facility designated or used by the Governor, any political subdivision of the Commonwealth, or any other governmental entity as an emergency shelter or for the purpose of sheltering persons;
You quoted the wrong part.

It starts out,
§ 44-146.15. Construction of chapter.
Nothing in this chapter is to be construed to:

...Empower the Governor, any political subdivision, or any other governmental authority to in any way limit or prohibit the rights of the people to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by Article I, Section 13 of the Constitution of Virginia or the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, including the otherwise lawful possession, carrying, transportation, sale, or transfer of firearms except to the extent necessary to ensure public safety in any place or facility designated or used by the Governor, any political subdivision of the Commonwealth, or any other governmental entity as an emergency shelter or for the purpose of sheltering persons;


Omitting the first part makes it read exactly the opposite of what it actually says.

I'm surprised our legal beagles here didn't look that up. Or not, since they mostly want to accuse one another of not having provided a cite.
 

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You quoted the wrong part.

It starts out,
§ 44-146.15. Construction of chapter.
Nothing in this chapter is to be construed to:

...Empower the Governor, any political subdivision, or any other governmental authority to in any way limit or prohibit the rights of the people to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by Article I, Section 13 of the Constitution of Virginia or the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, including the otherwise lawful possession, carrying, transportation, sale, or transfer of firearms
except to the extent necessary to ensure public safety in any place or facility designated or used by the Governor, any political subdivision of the Commonwealth, or any other governmental entity as an emergency shelter or for the purpose of sheltering persons;

Omitting the first part makes it read exactly the opposite of what it actually says.

I'm surprised our legal beagles here didn't look that up. Or not, since they mostly want to accuse one another of not having provided a cite.

first things first KB ~ whom misquoted what incorrectly? that pesky wittle word "EXCEPT" in you cited material coupled with the cited phrase "to ensure public safety" seems to be a small caveat for the VA governor doesn't it.

to clarify KB, do you, while doing business in your legislature, just blindly follow your legislative cohort when they state, "...as i understand..." on any particular legislative subject matter?

OR

do you personally peruse the ethernet seeking high and low what on earth your cohort meant by "understand" or even were meaning by "understanding" or do you ask for further clarification to get specific particulars to their statements of "understanding" on the subject at hand?

do your legislative cohort believe you are being accusatory when you ask for clarification so you might be thorough and doing due diligence to further your "understanding", from their perspective, of the subject at hand?

then why on earth do you feel the need for a snide derogatory comment here?
 
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now the FFA has declared a no fly zone on monday...https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_0_4707.html

this hugely advertised VCDL lobby day [without firearms allowed] rally is turning into quite a debacle
 

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Noted Plaintiff Kenneth Van Wyk, and wondered if he is kin to Charl Van Wyk, author of Shooting Back: The Right and Duty of Self-Defense (Christian Liberty Books 2001), his telling of his role ending the St. James Church Massacre in Kenilworth, SA. Larry Pratt wrote the Foreword to the book.

Charl has been a gracious correspondent over the years.
 
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