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cscitney87 wrote:
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Anyone know which number I will get called from for Jeffco? Specifically does anyone know the actual digits? Or will I get a call from "Restricted" ?
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Don't know about JeffCo, but when Douglas Cnty called me, the number came up on the caller id as a Douglas County line.
 
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cscitney87 wrote:
Do Colorado State Parks or Open Space allow a person to carry a handgun?
Only if you are a valid permit holder and carry concealed. You must not carry in an open fashion.


Colorado Constitution Article II, Section 13
Right to Bear Arms. The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person, or property, or in aid of the civil power when hereto legally summoned, shall be called into question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons.

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Does anybody else think that finding those two paragraphs on the same page is extremely ironic? Wouldn't those two sentences Contradict each other?

http://www.co.jefferson.co.us/sheriff/sheriff_T62_R126.htm

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Can you please cite the first one?

The second's verbiage is common throughout the CRS with respect to concealed carry, as they want to make sure everyone is clearly aware that any "right to carry" in no way, shape, or form authorizes concealed carry. If you dive into the CC laws in the CRS, you'll find both the requirements for CC, as well as the exceptions granted for CC.

If you're going to carry a firearm in Colorado, whether OC, CC, or both, I highly encourage you to familiarize yourself (that is, you become your own expert) on this section of the Colorado Revised Statues: http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext.dll/cocode/1/2d843/3189f?fn=document-frame.htm&f=templates&2.0#

The reason is this: The Colorado Constitution is the foundation from which all other applicable law derives. However, knowing the CO Constitution itself won't keep you out of trouble, just as the US Constitution says nothing about having to obtain a drivers' license before you drive, or obtaining a CC permit before you CC.

Just as you must know the DMV laws before you drive, you must know the OC and CC laws of Colorado before you carry in Colorado.
 
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OC is legal in Colorado State Parks. I did a thread about that a while back: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=20965&forum_id=13
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Thanks good thread. You asked for the cite; like I said and posted -http://www.co.jefferson.co.us/sheriff/sheriff_T62_R126.htm. I always provide a cite; re-read the post because I am saying "Those two paragraphs shouldn't be on the same page (literally) together. Or at least it's very ironic.." Specifically for Jeffco Open Space- it's a shame because they really have posted at all of their parks (literally). Even those ones WAY out there.
 
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I'm not saying I disagree with you, but until the CO Supreme Court holds that Sec II Art 13 is a "fundamental right", local governments will continue to enforce bans with signage.

I also emailed Judy Searle with the JeffCo Sheriff's Office to let her know about the discrepancy on that FAQ. She replied that when she compiled that FAQ she had consulted Rick Storm's office to make sure it was correct. Apparently there is a new Chief of CO Parks and she has a call into their office to address the concerns that I brought up. I'll post her reply when I get it.
 
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centsi wrote:
I also emailed Judy Searle with the JeffCo Sheriff's Office to let her know about the discrepancy on that FAQ. She replied that when she compiled that FAQ she had consulted Rick Storm's office to make sure it was correct. Apparently there is a new Chief of CO Parks and she has a call into their office to address the concerns that I brought up. I'll post her reply when I get it.
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Thanks.

Does anybody think there's anything I can do to maybe get my permit in a more timely fashion? Is there any merit to calling the Sheriff's office and asking about the status? 90 days is grueling.
 
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No. They are waiting for a response from CBI who is probably waiting for a response from the FBI. Most of the permits I've heard about in last year or so take 85-89 days, especially for people born out-of state. My suspicion is that CBI clears you very quickly but waits until just before that 90 day deadline to decide that the FBI isn't going to come up with anything.
 
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centsi wrote:
No. They are waiting for a response from CBI who is probably waiting for a response from the FBI. Most of the permits I've heard about in last year or so take 85-89 days, especially for people born out-of state. My suspicion is that CBI clears you very quickly but waits until just before that 90 day deadline to decide that the FBI isn't going to come up with anything.
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Ah Thank you. "Takes the government 90 days to do 15 minutes of work." That's what I heard from a group of men turning in their applications.
 
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Damn dude. Very very very excited if I get a call from Jeffco on the 65th day. Thanks for the info I appreciate it! Do you think it's possible that Jeffco hired on more help to process applications or is the Sheriff being a bit lenient on the 90 days with the background checks?
 
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From what I hear, it's just finally getting caught up.

Went and got my conceal weapon of choice...

all I can say is - those who CCW regularly? You be bonkers. Most uncomfortable way to walk around EVER.

I'll gladly open carry my cannon of a jericho every day openly... but trying to hide a Glock 23 under my pants? LOL.

Closest I can get (I'm a bit fat) is 6 o'clock, and that's not super comfy, but at least not obvious, and I can move around. Anywhere else and not only do I print like a mofo, but I can't move.

Shopping some better holsters now, but I at least have something I can use when I'm in denver.
 
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Lopo that's good I'm glad you heard it's getting caught up. I will be really surprised here I know I keep saying that. To be honest about the whole conceal carry being uncomfortable... There's nothing against "printing" at all. No law against it.

"Printing means that you can see the firearm through the clothing whether you can physically see through it or your clothing rests on it or gets caught on it so that it is noticeably a concealed firearm." http://concealedfirearm.com/

Therefor what I plan to do is simply use my most comfortable setup; and cover it up. I'll pull my shirt down over everything. I wear, not short, shirts so everything works out fine. If somebody wants to think it's a firearm; Ah gotchya- I like to Open Carry anyway. If I am asked to leave because I am printing.. so be it.. but I don't think it'll come down to that anywhere around. If I run to Denver for a pizza or a retail here or there.. down goes the shirt over the hip holster. Still comfortable; all the same as Open Carry, but covered by a cotton textile. Concealed, if you will.

Who here has anything to say about printing? I would like to know.
 
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Oh I know there's nothing against it, I just look really really stupid with a huge knob sticking out of my side :p

Question is - how much has to be concealed for Denver? They going to complain about the barrel end of a holster hanging below my shirt?
 
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While there is no statutory definition of what "concealed" means, there is a court definition (http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpex...d=3e560e4d.76343909.0.0&q=[Group '18-12-105']):

"Concealed" means placed out of sight so as not to be discernible or apparent by ordinary observation. People ex rel. O.R., __ P.3d __ (Colo. App. 2008).
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Additionally, if you were to be cited for not properly concealing it seems that it would be a matter of fact that would need to be determined by a jury (same link as above):
Question of whether weapon is concealed is question of fact for the jury which should not be summarily determined by the trial judge at the time that he rules on the defendant's motion to suppress. People v. Vincent, 628 P.2d 107 (Colo. 1981).

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Has anybody ever received an Emergency concealed handgun permit? I do not have an emergency. Is an emergency permit really only for emergencies with the burden of proof? What/Who is the establish the legitimacy of an Emergency? I am going to camping; bears are awake- so are lions- is that my emergency?

I get the feeling the Emergency permit is only for victims of recent abuse/violence. Still, it would be nice instead of waiting.
 
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[align=left]Supervisor: James Spoden, Concealed Handgun Permit Unit [/align] [align=left]Phone Number: (303) 239-5850[/align] [align=left]Email: james.spoden@cdps.state.co.us[/align][align=left]
[/align][align=left]I wonder if this email address is can help. Maybe I can find out whether or not my permit has been approved?[/align][align=left]Thoughts?
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I'd say unlikely since I believeit's the Sheriff that "approves" the application. The state merely provides him/her (ARE there any female sheriffs in CO???) with any applicable "historical data."
 
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