Is it too soon to start thinking about 2016? (The next president)

[joanie]

I think this would be the catogory to post this in. I read the board description

Use this topic to discuss issues regarding the ongoing fight to preserve the right to keep and bear arms.

And believe amoung other things, this topic falls within that as well. But it's really about all freedoms and rights, and preserving them, It's about this ongoing fight.

There's someone who needs us right now, but we'll need him more in 2016. I honestly believe he can steer things back to what made America so great. It's not so much any set of laws, or legislation that is a threat to open carry and gun rights, it's the power structure. It's the two, and possibly three or more party system. People vote for their party because they think not to would be throwing their vote away. In the last election, many, including those who called me taking surveys and polls, thought there were only two canidates in the running. Two partys, two choices.

"Are you voting for Romney, or Obama?"

nither

"oh, your not voting?"

Yes I will be voting, for Gary Johnson.

"whos that?"

You get the point. He got ballot access, but they wouldn't let him in the debates. That alone told me he was the right choice. Far as I know, one has to be a corprate puppet, or maybe a globalists puppet, a pawn for the bankers, to get ballot access in all states, and in the debates, to stand a chance.

Jesse Ventura: is a former governor, is calling for a grass roots movement, he will only run if he gets this ballot access and gets in the debates. He seems to think an aggressive grass roots movement can accomplish this. I don't know, but believe it's worth a try. Ron Paul won't be coming back for another go at it, Gary Johnson might, but Ventura is a even better choice and he can win if given a real chance. He claims that would be the only no party canidate since Washington.

In any case, look into this person, check him out on Youtube, other internet outlets, ect. Read his book (Democrips & Rebloodlicans) Thank you

 

[WalkingWolf]

Jonson was in the debates, he did not last long. Besides that the media are private, they can choose who they wish, and for what reasons. You have every opportunity to not listen. It is the people's addiction to the media that give them the power.

As far as 2016 there is not much difference between Christie, and Hillary. I predict Hillary will win by a landslide.

 

[Black_water]

I am hoping that people are as pissed with Obama and the left as they were with Bush and the right in 2008; if that happens then we see a shift. Look to the 2014 elections as an indicator.

I read a story that the demo that stayed home by and large in 2012 was the one that would have been reached by many of the groups that were denied status by the IRS. So, at least based on the story I read/heard, it is possible that that targeting could have effected the election. This will not be the case in 2014 and 2016.

I hate to use the terms "left" and "right", but I think if we can get away from the distractions we will see a move in the direction opposite of where we are going now. I would like to see more libertarian type candidates, ones that don't get bogged down with abortion, gay marriage etc and deal with rights, powers and government involvement in our business.

 

[joanie]

Jonson was in the debates, he did not last long. Besides that the media are private, they can choose who they wish, and for what reasons. You have every opportunity to not listen. It is the people's addiction to the media that give them the power. As far as 2016 there is not much difference between Christie, and Hillary. I predict Hillary will win by a landslide.

I was not aware that Gary Johnson was in the debates. The media is as you say private, however I can go into great detail about how that private enterprise is owned by the globalists. At the top the big 6 mega banks (the banksters) These globalists control that media and created the two party system to distract the public into thinking they have a choice, that their vote counts, and it does to some small degree. I mean the people have a choice, but that choice is limited to two canadates who both are puppets to the same global elete.

Look at it this way. You have a train going down a track, and a choice between two engines. One might run on diffrent fuel, make diffrent stops for repairs, so on and so forth. But no matter what engine you use, it's the same train going down the same track. Until enough people decide to build a diffrent track, and manufature a diffrent train.

I don't know if a big enough grass roots movement can get Jesse in the debates, maybe put enough pressure on the media, or get him full ballot access however that is to be accomplished. All I know is Jesse said that he will only run if he has a chance to win, and the only way that can happen is if he gets into the debates, and has full ballot access. He knows about the puppet canidates, he knows there game and is not the least bid afraid to expose them. It's my guess that in a debate, he would easally crush any Obama, any Bush, any Clinton, did you see the short work he made of Pears Morgan in an interview? Again, might be a good idea to look into Jesse Ventura, I believe he is the real deal and our best hope.

 

[WalkingWolf]

IMO Jesse is a lunatic, and probably most of the country would not trust him to run a HO train...

 

[rushcreek2]

Nope. It's not to early to start thinking about 2016.

My money is on RAND PAUL.

He will have to overcome not only the Democrat opposition - but the "Carl Rove" constabulary of the GOP.

If we want to steer this country back to its constitutional foundation , get rid of the INCOME TAX, IRS, FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM, and the United Nations it will take someone like Rand Paul.

In order not to be spoon-fed another "looser" GOP candidate WE need to get behind a true patriot.

2016 will make or brake the U.S.

 

[joanie]

IMO Jesse is a lunatic, and probably most of the country would not trust him to run a HO train...

Oh, I didn't realize Jesse is a lunatic, I guess that changes everything. Never mind..

 

[joanie]

Nope. It's not to early to start thinking about 2016. My money is on RAND PAUL. He will have to overcome not only the Democrat opposition - but the "Carl Rove" constabulary of the GOP. If we want to steer this country back to its constitutional foundation , get rid of the INCOME TAX, IRS, FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM, and the United Nations it will take someone like Rand Paul. In order not to be spoon-fed another "looser" GOP candidate WE need to get behind a true patriot. 2016 will make or brake the U.S.

If Ventura don't get into the running I guess I could get behind Rand Paul. However, I still have not forgotton how he endorsed globalist puppet (Mitt Romney) and I really know little other than he is not Ron Paul. People should consider this. I would hate for those to get behind this guy thinking they were getting his dad, only to find him just another puppet like Obama and Romney. I don't know that that is what he is, just know he's not the Ron Paul who wouldn't endorse a corprate king.

 

[Citizen]

Is it too soon to start thinking about 2016? (The next president)

Nope. Its too late.

I do not consider I have the right to rule over others without their consent. Even if I find myself in the majority.

However, I won't criticize too much those who vote defensively.

 

[joanie]

Well I guess if there was a grass roots movement to be found or bring about, that could get Jesse into the debates and on the ballots, it's not going to be found here. Sorry I brought it up..

 

[Tactical9mm]

+1

Only The Constitution Party represents the conservative American Country Class against the progressive Ruling Party of D, R, and L, all progressive. It is too late when folks convince themselves of the hegemony of the Ruling Party and deny its progressivism. It is too late when received-knowledge of progressivism is accepted un-skeptically.

I don't usually interject myself into threads like this, but this inaccuracy demanded a response. The Libertarian party in the USA is NOT progressive. You may wish to take a look at actual definitions, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism
where it is paraphrased as "Progressivism is a general political philosophy advocating or favoring gradual social, political, and economic reform THROUGH GOVERNMENT ACTION. Modern Progressivism emerged as part of a more general response to the vast social changes brought by industrialization"

By that definition, The so-called "Constitution party" IS progressive as it wishes to impose its tyranny on the populace through Government legislation, and action.

 

[Ca Patriot]

Rand Paul 2016

 

[Freedom First]

Is it too soon to start thinking about 2016? (The next president)

Um, yeah, that. I am not sure how many more election cycles you all need to see before you will realize that voting is about as effective as writing letters to Santa.

Here's something to ask yourself, "What election in my lifetime made me more free?" When did you put someone in office willing to stand between your rights and some form of tyranny? Did it work or did they fall under the pressure of the money and corruption built into the system? You really think any man who is vetted by the system will be able or willing to stand against it?

Please give me some hope if you have affirmative answers to those question. I simply don't see it.

 

[Ca Patriot]

voting for Rand Paul for senator helped make us more free.

every election counts.

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vote or shut up

 

[joanie]

Um, yeah, that. I am not sure how many more election cycles you all need to see before you will realize that voting is about as effective as writing letters to Santa.

Here's something to ask yourself, "What election in my lifetime made me more free?" When did you put someone in office willing to stand between your rights and some form of tyranny? Did it work or did they fall under the pressure of the money and corruption built into the system? You really think any man who is vetted by the system will be able or willing to stand against it?

Please give me some hope if you have affirmative answers to those question. I simply don't see it.

With that additude, if we start believing there is nothing we can do and shouldn't waste our time trying, all hope would be lost. I'm here to tell you, if a big grass roots movement can get Jesse on the ballots and in the debates, then he promises to run, and if that happends, Jesse in debating with the mainline corprate puppet/s, Jesse will win by a huge margin. Therefore, riging the election wil be much harder to do without being caught at it. Also, if Jesse Ventura gets into the white house, he will not be bought, or swayed. He might be killed, but again, I refer you to the getting caught, therefore, his supporters are not don't once they get him elected, they need to stand with him even if it means defending him from the forces that will set out to kill him.

Thing about Ventura is he is a no party canidate, or would be if he ran. Not since Washington has there been a no party person. He will expose the 2 party corruption, blow it out of the water. If he gets on the ballets and in the debates, I doubt theres any chance of him losing.

Rand Paul, is not his dad. he will be corrupted, or swallowed by the system, maybe not to the extent of others, but he is not the answer, Jesse is and he is our best chance for a real overhaul of our freedoms and rights. Food freedom, free markets, economic enterprize, ect. He is the real deal, another Ron Paul, another Gary Johnson. George washington and Thomas Jefferson rolled into one.