Is INOVA Fairfax Hospital subject to VA preemption?

[gcrtkd]

Snapped a pic of this sign on the front door of the INOVA Fairfax Hospital (Women's Center). If the .jpg doesn't come through, it says, "No firearms or weapons allowed on this property." The obvious question: is INOVA FFX hospital subject to VA firearms preemption laws? I did some quick research but I haven't found anything convincing.

http://www.inova.org/about-inova/board-governance/index.jsp

http://www.inova.org/about-inova/board-governance/inova-health-system-board.jsp

http://newsroom.inova.org/images/74//IHS_2009_Community_Report.pdf

"Inova Health System is a not-for-profit healthcare system based in Northern Virginia that consists of hospitals and other health services, including emergency- and urgent-care centers, home care, nursing homes, mental health and blood donor services, and wellness classes. Governed by a voluntary board of community members, Inova’s mission is to improve the health of the diverse community it serves through excellence in patient care, education and research. Inova provides a healthy environment for its patients, families, visitors, staff and physicians by prohibiting tobacco use on its campuses."

Any expert opinions on the matter?

-thanks!
-llcoolg

 

[ed]

is INOVA FFX hospital subject to VA firearms preemption laws?

I don't think so.. I believe it to be a private entity.

 

[streetdoc]

The INOVA Health System is not local or state government owned.

 

[Uber_Olafsun]

I am wondering because there are some VCU classes being held up there as well if that's why the sign? I have to work up there every now and then and saw the same. Been a long time since I have seen a CLEARLY posted door unlike malls movies etc that put it in a corner 4 inches from the ground.

 

[Riana]

Reston Hospital and several of the buildings on its campus are posted that way, as well.

 

[ed]

My doctors office in Reston, near the hospital JUST posted. My doctor told me I am still free to carry there since I had his permission.
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...ston-VA-New-NO-FIREARMS-Sign&highlight=reston

 

[user]

"Pre-emption" doesn't mean anything in this context. The question doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[TFred]

Many hospitals seem to be anti-gun. I guess it's good for business... more likely a victim will be harmed and require medical treatment when they are defenseless.

If a crime victim can pull out a gun and scare a criminal away, no injured victims, no $$ for the hospital.

TFred

 

[ed]

I guess it's good for business... more likely a victim will be harmed and require medical treatment when they are defenseless.

If a crime victim can pull out a gun and scare a criminal away, no injured victims, no $$ for the hospital.

:lol:

 

[TFred]

Many hospitals seem to be anti-gun. I guess it's good for business... more likely a victim will be harmed and require medical treatment when they are defenseless.

If a crime victim can pull out a gun and scare a criminal away, no injured victims, no $$ for the hospital.

TFred

I suppose I should clarify, just for the anti-gunners who troll the site... I am kidding... mostly. I'm sure the doctors don't feel this way... Hospital administrators and bean counters... well, they don't have any oaths that I know of, so how could we ever know for sure?

TFred

 

[kenny]

Hospitals have national certification standards that they must comply with. This is where this position comes from.

 

[gcrtkd]

"Pre-emption" doesn't mean anything in this context. The question doesn't make any sense to me.

Yeah, I probably used the wrong terminology. I was wondering if this sign the hospital admin. posted is under some authority that the admin. wished/assumed it has rather than what VA law actually says that it has (or perhaps better said, says that it doesn't have). If the hospital is a private entity and not a state/government owned/run enterprise, then their private property rights trump carry rights. I was just wonderin' since I thought that they would get the bulk of their operating budget from the state. Can't blame a guy for dreaming...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8n3F3O3Xqo

 

[kenny]

Unfortunately the only time you may have a problem is while you OC. I have found that many hospitals operate off of an out of sight, out mind position.

 

[grylnsmn]

The INOVA Health System is not local or state government owned.

According to the tax records, the hospital itself is owned by Fairfax County. However, INOVA is a private non-profit organization.

Here's part of the summary from fairfaxcounty.gov:

Owner
Name BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FAIRFAX COUNTY,
Mailing Address 12000 GOVERNMENT CENTER PW SUITE 533 FAIRFAX VA 22035

Parcel
Property Location 3300 GALLOWS RD
Map # 0592 01 0001A
Tax District 7T000
District Name PROVIDENCE TRANSPORTATION
Land Use Code Hospital & Health Facilities
Land Area (acreage)
Land Area (SQFT) 1,635,050
Zoning Description (Res w/other res zonings)
Utilities


Legal Description
Legal Description GALLOWS ROAD
FAIRFAX HOSPITAL
1564 121

Last Refresh Date
Data last refreshed: 23-DEC-10

To verify anything further, we would need a copy of the lease between Fairfax County and INOVA.

 

[Uber_Olafsun]

Just wondering if anyone had any luck finding out any more about who owns the facility? I am up at Loudoun and they have their gun buster signs up as well.

 

[grylnsmn]

Just wondering if anyone had any luck finding out any more about who owns the facility? I am up at Loudoun and they have their gun buster signs up as well.

The building is owned by Fairfax County, but it is leased to INOVA, which is a private non-profit. As such, it is under INOVA's control, not the County's. Because they are a private non-profit, INOVA does not appear to be subject to preemption.

 

[skidmark]

The building is owned by Fairfax County, but it is leased to INOVA, which is a private non-profit. As such, it is under INOVA's control, not the County's. Because they are a private non-profit, INOVA does not appear to be subject to preemption.

Thanks to Ken Cuccinelli's Opinion http://www.oag.state.va.us/Opinions and Legal Resources/Opinions/2010opns/10-009-Greason.pdf they can get around preemption. Also, JHACO (Joint Hospital Accreditation something something) requires hospitals to be Victim Disarmament/Criminal Enterprise Enhancement zones. No accredidation, no payment from any health insurance.

We are screwed no matter which way we go.

stay safe.

 

[Uber_Olafsun]

JCAHO only spells out workplace violence policies like a lot of businesses have. This is all INOVA.

 

[riverrat10k]

I have been CC'ing in hospitals and health facilities for the last three months to care for a sick family member.

Sorry, Peter, I know, I know. I am not very pround of it. Back to OC when I get to my car. My wife would just be so pissed if I was thrown out when I had promised to take care of a chore for her.

 

[peter nap]

Sorry, Peter, I know, I know. I am not very pround of it. Back to OC when I get to my car. My wife would just be so pissed if I was thrown out when I had promised to take care of a chore for her.

CC is better than NC! I even know a few scoundrels without a permit that accidentally do it on occasion.:uhoh: