How many of you/us unholster when...

[marshaul]

You can see the expanding rubber anchor in the upper left of this pic, I just replaced the mushroom head with a threaded bolt.

I can?

Can someone please explain (preferably visually) how these Serpa quick-release mechanisms work?

And Fallschirmjäger, do you suppose you might be able to go into a little more detail about your specific solution? That picture doesn't jibe with my understanding of what you said, leaving me confused.

 

[jeeper1]

Can someone please explain (preferably visually) how these Serpa quick-release mechanisms work?

http://www.blackhawk.com/product/SERPA-Quick-Disconnect-Male,1240,82.htm
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/SERPA-Quick-Disconnect-Female,1241,82.htm

 

[deepdiver]

I keep it holstered. But I am much more careful than I used to be about where the butt sits as I damaged my driver's seat leather in my TA over time with my sidearm rubbing. Luckily, it was ready for a recover anyway so really no harm, no foul. But in the other vehicles, especially the new car, it is something I watch closely.

Also, if I do think as carefully about holster choice as clothes/etc for comfort if I am going to be in the car for a long period.

 

[HolyOrangeJuice]

I open my car door, grab my pistol case, drop the mag and put it and my spare in the center console, rack the slide to visually verify my handgun is unloaded, put it in the case, jump in vehicle. Since WI still has the issue of OC in vehicle without a permit. I am forced to unload and encase my firearm.

 

[Outdoorsman1]

I am also in WI and before we got our CCW Law, open carry was the only legal way to carry but as stated above you had to unload and case your firearm everytime you entered the vehicle and thus you had to load and holster the firearm to be able to carry after leaving the vehicle... We called it "The Dance". I now have my WI CCW License which eliminated the need to do the dance so my firearm stays holstered on my right hip both in and out of my vehicle. The only time it leaves my side is if I have unavoidable business in a building that is legally posted no firearms. Then I just unholster and put it in it's case without unloading...

When putting on my seatbelt I do adjust the firearm so it is sticking out past the seatbelt for easy access if needed...

Outdoorsman1

 

[kimbercarrier]

Usually this is how I am out and about. Instead of the Sex Shooter I’m packing either a 45-1911 or my new 45-Sig Sauer in military web.

Sexshooter huh? I think I want to stay clear of you. lol.

 

[Fallschirjmäger]

I can?

Can someone please explain (preferably visually) how these Serpa quick-release mechanisms work?

And Fallschirmjäger, do you suppose you might be able to go into a little more detail about your specific solution? That picture doesn't jibe with my understanding of what you said, leaving me confused.

In this pic, you can see two 'female portions' and one 'male portion'

Normally you would mount the one male portion on your holster and use the two female portions to mount to the belt slide or paddle of your choice to allow using the same holster in multiple areas. To remove the QD holster you move the two spring loaded latches on the female portion towards the holster and rotate 1/16th? turn to disengage the teeth on the male portion. (Sometimes it almost takes three hands, which brings into question the whole "QD" thing, but... yeah, that's the idea.)

In my case, I mounted a female portion on the transmission tunnel of my car, using some threaded bolts (metric, I believe, that I found at the local home improvement store by seeing which ones would thread into the rubber donut of the 'grocery net mushroom,'. Aside from the fancy head that the loop of the netting slips over, it's pretty much just a bolt and a rubber cylinder that bulges when the bolt is tightened. Drilling the tunnel was easy, I used a very low speed and only a touch to get through the plastic. There was sufficient room behind the plastic without any wires, carpeting or other vital car parts, thankfully. My first hole was kind of ... hesitant, I drilled and then got an idea of the depth before drilling holes 2 or 3.

I should probably note that I didn't use this system to provide QD for a SERPA to be switched from the transmission tunnel to my belt. I wear a left-handed holster and used a dedicated ""normal"" holster inside the car. Us handicapped guys suffer for our sins that way.


.... andddddd, now that I'm thinking about it, I don't remember purchasing the 'net mushrooms' separately. I seem to recall that they came with the cargo nets and that I wound up with a few extras when they were all installed. I Think they came 4 to a net, and since I already had two anchors on the floor, I wound up only needing 4 of the 8 that came with two nets.
... and the picture I posted where I said "You can see the mushroom anchor ..." I guess should really be "you can see a mushroom anchor..." since I don't have a way to take a photo of the actual installation I did. That was to give a half-ashed mental image of what one would look like if purchased.

 

[Fallschirjmäger]

And... since I care so much about you guys, I looked to see if those anchors or similar are available without having to also purchase the netting. Lo and behold, it seems your local ACE hardware may have something quite similar.

... found on this thread, Modders-INC.

"...I've been focusing on the HDD mounts lately. Because it's a portable rig I want good shock / Vibration protection. So I went looking for what was on the market what I found was not so great and over priced.... Off to the local ACE hardware where I found expanding rubber stoppers of just the right size, some Stainless 6-32 cap screws and stainless washers.
...So what are expanding rubber stoppers? well there these thick rubber washers with a lip on one end and a integrated brass nut in the other. When the stopper is put in a hole about the same size the screw with a washer is threaded in from the lipped side. The Screw puts longitudinal pressure on the stopper causing it to deform into the hole. "

The threaded portion goes through the hole, the lip on the end keeps it from going too far, and when the screw is tightened the rubber expands to keep the anchor from coming out.

 

[xmanhockey7]

I have to unholster and unload my gun before getting into my car in Michigan. If I'm in a state where my carry permit is recognized though I leave it in the holster.

 

[onestar 50]

I keep my holstered while I am driving.

 

[hermannr]

A holstered gun is a safe gun. It stays right where it belongs, on my belt, and in the holster.

My particular holster sits such that the seatbelt snaps over it, and after a couple hours I do not even think it is there. The seat takes the weight, but does not raise the weapon, works perfectly.

 

[MainelyGlock]

Because I don't have a CC permit (still processing), I have to unload my Glock before I get into my vehicle. I'm left handed, so the gun comes out of my serpa holster and sits on the passenger seat where it's more accessible if I ever need to use it from my seat (assuming any potential attacker is coming from the drivers side).

 

[DrakeZ07]

Once inside my Jeep, the sidearm I'm carrying will either: A; go into a secondary holster, and rest on the passenger side dashboard (the indentations of the Grand Cherokee make resting a holstered sidearm easy, and secure). or B; Goes from holster, into the center console. Neither case's are the firearm unloaded. And the latter case is legal without a CCDW pursuant to Ky Revised Statues.

 

[NoTolerance]

Since WI still has the issue of OC in vehicle without a permit. I am forced to unload and encase my firearm.

I don't think that's exactly right. I wanted to determine if it was legal to OC while on my bike, so I played armchair lawyer for the day and did my best to familiarize myself with the new laws.

IANAL:

Wis. Stats. § 167.31(2)(b):
(b) Except as provided in sub. (4), no person may place, possess, or transport a firearm, bow, or crossbow in or on a vehicle, unless one of the following applies:
1. The firearm is unloaded or is a handgun.

Translated: If the firearm in question is a handgun, you CAN transport it LOADED and UNCASED provided it is within plain sight - even if you DO NOT possess a CCWP.

From the DOJ FAQ:

If I do not have a CCW license how do I transport weapons in a vehicle?
A. Handguns
The law now allows a person to do the following without a CCW permit:
• place, possess, or transport a handgun in a vehicle without being unloaded or encased. Wis. Stats. § 167.31(2)(b).
• load a handgun in a vehicle. Wis. Stats. § 167.31(2)(c).
• operate an all-terrain vehicle (ATV) with a handgun in the operator’s possession. Wis. Stat. § 23.33(3)(a).
• place, possess, or transport a handgun in or on a motorboat with the motor running without being unloaded or encased. Wis. Stats. § 167.31(2)(a), (b), (c).
• place, possess, or transport a handgun in or on a noncommercial aircraft.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Persons who do not have a CCW license may still not carry weapons concealed. In a vehicle this means that the firearm cannot be hidden or concealed and within reach.

The "important note" part is directed explicitly at those wishing to hide or conceal a weapon in a vehicle without a CCWP: You MAY conceal or hide your weapon so long as it is outside your reach. Otherwise the firearm MUST be visible. What's odd about that note is that they don't reference a specific statute. However, after further digging:

‎(4)Exceptions.
167.31(4)(a)(a) Subsections (2) and (3) do not apply to any of the following who, in the line of duty, place, possess, transport, load or discharge a firearm in, on or from a vehicle, motorboat or aircraft or discharge a firearm from or across a highway or within 50 feet of the center of a roadway:

e. His or her firearm is in plain view, as defined by rule by the department of safety and professional services.

Finding that rule was something of a challenge, too, and the only "rule" I could find that attempted to define "plain view" was prior to Act 35, so it's a little dated, contradictory, and was written to apply to armed security:

RESTRICTIONS ON CARRYING A FIREARM
Loaded Firearm in a Vehicle. Wis. Admin. Code §RL 34.011 states the conditions under which a security guard may carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle. One of the conditions is that the firearm must be in plain view. For example, the firearm may not be under the seat, in the glove compartment, under the security guard’s uniform, in a briefcase, etc. If the firearm is a handgun, it must be in a holster. If it is other than a handgun (such as a shot gun), it must be in a device inside the vehicle which locks the firearm in position and prevents an unauthorized person from removing it from the locking device. Other conditions are: the person must be in uniform, the person must be on duty as a security guard and the person must have a valid firearms permit from the Department.

http://drl.wi.gov/docview.asp?docid=442&locid=0

RL 34.011 Conditions relating to transporting a loaded firearm in a vehicle. No owner or employee of an agency may transport a loaded firearm in a vehicle, unless all of the following apply:
(1) The firearm is in plain view. In this section “in plain view” means it is visible from ordinary observation to a person outside the vehicle.
Note: A firearm located in a glove compartment, in a briefcase, under a seat of a vehicle, or covered by the clothing of an occupant, is not “in plain view.”
(2) If the firearm is a handgun, the owner or employee transports the firearm in a holster which is in plain view.

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/code/archive/2011/671b/remove/rl34

Now, you have to note that this rule attempts to define "plain view", but the information in the rule about transporting a loaded firearm is overridden by the new Act 35 laws.

This leads me to believe there would be no LEGAL issue if I were to open carry while riding. That's not to say I wouldn't get harassed by a well-intentioned but misinformed LEO, but that's bound to happen anyway.

Knowing that I can legally carry loaded in the vehicle now, as opposed to have to do "the dance" will make open carrying a little more practical.

Of course, IANAL, so I could be way wrong on all of this. This was all my interpretation and personal research.

 

[The Airframer]

Getting into your vehicle? Do you unholster your weapon and put it elsewhere in your vehicle either in a holster attached in the vehicle or a cubby or container?

No. I keep my in the holster because I drive like a pissed off teenager. I definitely don't need a loaded 9mm bouncing around every set of tracks i jump or siding back and forth across the dash as I weave in and out of traffic. And I don't carry unloaded guns so rule out the unloading factor. Right there on my hip is the safest place for it and I can still draw if ever needed.

 

[xd_45]

Right between my seat and the console. Very nice and tight fit and it kinda blends in with the fabric.

 

[nny420]

i live in oregon

Oregon statute clearly states a pistol in a belt holster is not concelled.



166.250 (3)Firearms carried openly in belt holsters are not concealed within the meaning of this section.

I called and talked with the on duty Sargent at the Lincoln city police department asking about driving while holstered. He said as long as its clearly visible its OK. It would just be nice to let the officer know your OCing at the beginning of a traffic stop... other than that if your not being cited for law violations or investigated with probable cause you dnt even have to tell the officer your name

 

[KYGlockster]

It is so nice to live in Ky. Before I received my cdWl, I kept it on my hip. Now that i have my cdWl, i keep it on my hip! You can put it on your seat, leave it on your belt, put it in your console, seat pocket, door pocket, glovebox. I always kept a .357 mag in the console if I was to suddenly need a firearm while driving. I find it easier to access in the console, than on my hip in an IWB holster.

 

[badey]

I never unholster when I get in a vehicle.

 

[86 slo-vo]

Stays on my hip at all times in my bianchi evader holster.