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glad i dont live in canada

koogan

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Regardless of the local laws, the idea of being prosecuted under those conditions is pretty staggering. Imagine if he had actually put down his attackers under that system...he would have spent his remaining days in prison. I've read of cases where people defending themselves against burglary are charged but having your house fire-bombed seems to leave little ambiguity in intention.
 

CenTex

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Good thing they didn't do that on my brother's property. As a retired deputy sheriff, he would have left them lying in his pasture letting the fire ants clean their dead carcasses. Castle law is to protect the innocent.
 

patrick35

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hi all i'm new here but was lurking at the site since last year . sorry to be long to register ...

so as for the thread , that is canada , we have law that protect the thieft , not the one who was defending them self .
so if we take a step back to all those laws , when a thieft get in your house it's better for you to help him carrying all he want in his getaway car than telling him to not do that .... or even worst protecting your good from that thieft .
when the thieft as leave you call the police , then they take 30 minutes to arrive because they take time to finish thiere donuts and coffee ....


one thing is sure , here in quebec we will never get an open carry permission , those who belive we will eventualy get the right to open carry are dreamer .

pat .
 

wcamike

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The thing about Canadian home defence is living the right area, and not leaving witnesses, for example the criminal.

Canadian law is very inconsistent, and is all about the grey areas. Hopefully Harper can get his a** in gear soon to get Castle law in place.

Better to be judged by twelve, than carried by six...
 

john6574

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Defence of life in Canada

You are allowed to protect yourself and the lives of others in your company from "grievous bodily harm and/or death" under Canadian law. There have been a few cases where the owners of a business used lethal force against a criminal and were never charged or were found not guilty. If you do use a firearm and shoot a person it MUST be in defense of your life or another in your company. You the shooter must prove that you were justified in using that level of force and that a real threat (think weapon) existed when you fired. If you shoot remember remain silent, get a lawyer and let the authorities complete their duties before you speak through your lawyer.

If you don't prove that you were justified then you will be up dung creek without a paddle. There are many variables regarding justifiable use of force. My carry permit in Canada is for open carry in wilderness areas for protection from dangerous animals for myself or others in my company. I get to define dangerous and what is and is not an animal.

In defence of your life the threat must be real, your life or another persons life must be in imminant danger. If as an example your family members were injured or even killed you are NOT justified in shooting the perpetrator running away from you. The threat to you and the injured and the dead has passed and imminant danger does not exist. It's not right but that is what it is! Your not allowed to wound either, the reason for you to fire is imminant death or grievous bodily harm.

Hope this sheds some light on this subject. Open carry permits in Canada are few and far between, difficult to get and must be maintained by requalifying on a regular basis. The only place a handgun can be fired in Canada is on a range approved by the government my permit states I cannot carry concealed and that I can only discharge it at an dangerous animal. This is the new rules in the old days it was carry any way you want to, I liked that way better nobody new you had a gun and there were less explanations to people.

Cheers,
John
 

jdholmes

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Like another person had stated you CAN defend yourself and also your home - the ticket in Canada is verbiage and semantics...they are very important and could be the difference between freedom and jail time.

My father was a canadian police officer for 20 years and my grandfather his whole career, and also one of my uncles.

The secret phrase is this, "I was in fear for my life."

Those seven words make all the difference - do not incriminate yourself by trying to justify protecting your home or possessions. That is where some people go wrong.
 

bc.cruiser

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For those who "are glad I don't live in Canada": This situation is not unique to Canada; it's happens south of the border all too often.
John6574: I left PG in the late sixties. We couldn't hardly carry then, either.
 

john6574

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Hi BC Cruiser,

Thanks for your response PG has not changed much except for the crime rate getting higher.

Carrying a firearm for protection has it's benifits if it is needed. But if you carry then you must except the liability for the firearm, you must secure it and be responsible for your actions when and if you use it. This is true for law enforcement officers above and below the 49th parallel and for persons authorised to carry a firearm in both countries. With the right to carry comes the duty of responsibility and accountability.

Cheers,
John

PS: BC Cruiser for old times sake PG had minus 40 temps. a few weeks back.
 

bc.cruiser

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Hi BC Cruiser,
Thanks for your response PG has not changed much except for the crime rate getting higher.
Cheers,
John
PS: BC Cruiser for old times sake PG had minus 40 temps. a few weeks back.

I get frequent updates by email and phone. I can't say I miss the extremes, but I always preferred the -40s to the -30s.:banana:

I'm back about every year. Two brothers (and families) and mother still there. How is it the chore list only comes out when oldest son arrives?:lol:
 
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