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Flying Into LAX, Driving To Arizona.

MarlboroLts5150

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I'm getting transferred from Hawaii to south Georgia. I'll be bringing my Sig P229 and 3 10-rnd mags. I'm also shipping my car from HI to somewhere in LA for pickup to drive across country.

I want to make sure that I'm legal, at least as much as I can at all times. How do I get from the airport (by cab) to my car, and transporting in my car til I'm in AZ?

I understand about UOC, but what about transporting? I'm literally grabbing my car, and hitting the road, ain't stopping 'til Denver.

Any advice is greatly appreciated.
 

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Read up at www.californiaopencarry.org

If you don't stop for gas, unloaded and exposed while in CA. The only thing you have to worry about is "Gun Free School Zones." The law exempts you if you don't "reasonably know" you are in a GFSZ, but that might not stop a conviction.

If you want to be 100% in the clear, just keep it unloaded and locked in a secure container. I'd keep it on the seat next to you just in case you need it.
 

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CA_Libertarian wrote:
Read up at http://www.californiaopencarry.org

If you don't stop for gas, unloaded and exposed while in CA. The only thing you have to worry about is "Gun Free School Zones." The law exempts you if you don't "reasonably know" you are in a GFSZ, but that might not stop a conviction.

If you want to be 100% in the clear, just keep it unloaded and locked in a secure container. I'd keep it on the seat next to you just in case you need it.

I'll have enough gas to get to the TA truckstops in Ontario. There I'll gas up and haul it up 15 to 40 East. Won't have to stop again 'til I'm well into AZ.

I was more concerned with getting from LAX to the auto shipper in the cab. Unloaded, locked in it's case with the mags empty and the ammo in it's own box, locked in the cabs' trunk should be fine, if I'm reading everything right.

Thanks bro.
 

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I'm not sure if you were able to check but you should call your respective airline and ask for instructions about transporting your firearm. Also in CA it is against the law to "import" magazines of greater capacity than 10rds. Only exception is if they were purchased in CA before the ban. There is no exception for "passing through".
 

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demnogis wrote:
I'm not sure if you were able to check but you should call your respective airline and ask for instructions about transporting your firearm. Also in CA it is against the law to "import" magazines of greater capacity than 10rds. Only exception is if they wereposessed in CA before 1/1/00. There is no exception for "passing through".

Fixed.

Marlboro...if you transport your pistol the same way that the airline requires you are 100% safe in CA. Have a safe trip!
 

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DrTodd wrote:
What about the magazines being 10+?

The Original Poster specifically said that the magazines are 10 round.

However - if for some reason you need to pass through CA with 'large capacity' magazines; disassemble the magazines before arriving in CA. Do not reassemble them until you leave CA.

Importation of a large capacity magazine (greater then 10 rounds) is a midemeanor in CA. See PC 12020:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=90990613667+0+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve
 

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I'm going to pick up some regular 12-round mags during my trip, but all I have now are the 10 round. Hawaii has the same stupid rule about them.
 

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MarlboroLts5150 wrote:
I was more concerned with getting from LAX to the auto shipper in the cab. Unloaded, locked in it's case with the mags empty and the ammo in it's own box, locked in the cabs' trunk should be fine, if I'm reading everything right.

Thanks bro.
No special laws about transporting in a cab, so no worries there.

And other than the airline policy, your ammo doesn't need to be separate, nor do your mags need to be empty. As long as there is no unexpended ammo in a firing position (e.g. in the chamber or in a magazine which is inserted in the firearm), you're good to go. (See People v Clark for clarification of the definition of "loaded" for purposes of 12031.)

The way I transport when not open carrying: Unloaded firearm and full mags in locked case on front passenger seat, combo lock on case set nearly to open (so I can quickly unlock it).
 

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CA_Libertarian wrote:
MarlboroLts5150 wrote:
I was more concerned with getting from LAX to the auto shipper in the cab. Unloaded, locked in it's case with the mags empty and the ammo in it's own box, locked in the cabs' trunk should be fine, if I'm reading everything right.

Thanks bro.
No special laws about transporting in a cab, so no worries there.

And other than the airline policy, your ammo doesn't need to be separate, nor do your mags need to be empty. As long as there is no unexpended ammo in a firing position (e.g. in the chamber or in a magazine which is inserted in the firearm), you're good to go. (See People v Clark for clarification of the definition of "loaded" for purposes of 12031.)

The way I transport when not open carrying: Unloaded firearm and full mags in locked case on front passenger seat, combo lock on case set nearly to open (so I can quickly unlock it).

Thanks. If you had asked me a week ago about cabs, I would have sworn something different. Just couldn't find it.

I've only found 1 airline that ISN'T strickter than the FAA. Southwest allows mags to be loaded, as long as they are in a pouch that covers the exposed (top) ammo. (Too bad they don't fly out of Honolulu). I'm shipping my ammo with my household goods, just bringing 36 rounds with me in the box.
 

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demnogis wrote:
I'm not sure if you were able to check but you should call your respective airline and ask for instructions about transporting your firearm. Also in CA it is against the law to "import" magazines of greater capacity than 10rds. Only exception is if they were purchased in CA before the ban. There is no exception for "passing through".
The 1986 Firearm owners protection act protects firearm owners who are traveling through a state.

"Safe passage" provision One of the law's provisions was that persons traveling from one place to another cannot be arrested for a firearms offense in a state that has strict gun control laws if the traveler is just passing through (short stops for food and gas and presumably overnight stops on long trips excepted) and the firearms and ammunition are not immediately accessible, unloaded and, in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment, in a locked container.[5]
An example of this would be that someone driving from Virginia to a competition in Vermont with a locked hard case containing an unloaded handgun and a box of ammunition in the trunk could not be prosecuted in New Jersey or New York City for illegal possession of a handgun provided that they did not stop in New Jersey or New York for an extended period of time.
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"Safe Passage" Provision One of the law's provisions was that persons traveling from one state to another for a shooting sports event or any other lawful activity cannot be arrested for a firearms offense in a state that has strict gun control laws if the traveler is just passing through (short stops for food and gas) the more restrictive state and the firearms and ammunition are securely locked, unloaded, and not immediately accessible. Weapon possession, as a crime, consists of that circumstance in which a person who is not legally authorised to carry a concealed weapon is found in possession of such a weapon. ... Gasoline is a petroleum-derived liquid mixture consisting primarily of hydrocarbons, used as fuel in internal combustion engines. ...

An example of this would be that someone driving from Virginia to an IPSC competition in Vermont with a locked hard case containing an unloaded handgun and a box of ammunition in the trunk could not be prosecuted in New Jersey for illegal possession of a handgun provided that he did not stop in New Jersey for an extended period of time.

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Please don't tell people they can't do something without knowing for sure. This website is for getting the truth out there so we know our rights. I'm not saying that you couldn't be arrested because you probobly can. You could go to jail awaiting trial and you could become another case against the tyranny of RPK. You could also have no problems at all. It's important to know your rights.

Still it would be a good idea to keep your stuff locked up through RPK. I would/have OCed in RPK several times with my Oregon NORMAL capacity magazines @ 16 and 18 rounds respectively. Now if I was going to visit RPK specifically to stay there for a visit I would grab my RPK mags and take those with me.
 

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The million dollar question is, "Does the Federal Firearm Safe Passage Act applly to magazines?" As much as I think it should I'll lay money that an urban DA in CA would prosecute using the thought that 'magazines are not firearms'
 

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mjones wrote:
The million dollar question is, "Does the Federal Firearm Safe Passage Act applly to magazines?" As much as I think it should I'll lay money that an urban DA in CA would prosecute using the thought that 'magazines are not firearms'
Since the magazine is considered a piece of the firearm necessary to fire the firearm then I would say yes. But your right that is a million dollar question. And I wouldn't want to be the one to find out.
 

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Here is one popular style of carry for this area, but to each his own......

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