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Felony to train with firearms

willy1094

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I didn't post the link because the link I had wouldn't load. I think the site may be down at the time of this posting though. This also means that I REALLY only have second hand information. This bill is bad enough (horrible) but could be easily twisted to be even worse. Two people shooting together, felony. Posting informative information, felony. I didn't see this posted so I thought I would share.


SENATE BILL NO. 64
Offered January 8, 2020
Prefiled November 21, 2019
A BILL to amend and reenact § 18.2-433.2 of the Code of Virginia, relating to paramilitary activities; penalty.
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Patron-- Lucas
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Referred to Committee for Courts of Justice
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Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:

1. That § 18.2-433.2 of the Code of Virginia is amended and reenacted as follows:

§ 18.2-433.2. Paramilitary activity prohibited; penalty.

A person shall be, amended to is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he:

1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

2. Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

3. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.

2. That the provisions of this act may result in a net increase in periods of imprisonment or commitment. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of imprisonment in state adult correctional facilities; therefore, Chapter 854 of the Acts of Assembly of 2019 requires the Virginia Criminal Sentencing Commission to assign a minimum fiscal impact of $50,000. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of commitment to the custody of the Department of Juvenile Justice.
 

Ghost1958

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Such laws are the reason for militia.

Gov in fear of its citizens is a good thing. And shows that the tyrants know they are tyrants.
 

solus

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27 nov 19 weapon blog...

however the VA legislative site re sb 64, https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?ses=191&typ=lnk&val=02&submit=
GO

Sorry, the document you requested does not exist or is not available at this time.



however Senator Lucas sponsored SB 1210 Paramilitary activities; penalty.
complete status...
URL unfurl="true"]http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+sum+SB1210[/URL


guess the best bet willy1094 is to not to get your misinformation from blog but rather a viable source like the VA legislature site ~ huh!
 

willy1094

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however the VA legislative site re sb 64, https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?ses=191&typ=lnk&val=02&submit=
GO
Sorry, the document you requested does not exist or is not available at this time.

however Senator Lucas sponsored SB 1210 Paramilitary activities; penalty.
complete status...
URL unfurl="true"]http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+sum+SB1210[/URL

guess the best bet willy1094 is to not to get your misinformation from blog but rather a viable source like the VA legislature site ~ huh!
I attempted several times, several different ways to go straight to the source. The day of my posting VA legislature's site WAS NOT working, as I stated in my post. I did, however, see the same information across many different sites before posting. I made EVERY attempt available to me that day to research. I posted in case it hadn't made it on the radar in an attempt to assist someone that this would impact despite the fact that it would have no immediate impact on myself. I didn't call for anyone to go out and burn the state to the ground but simply provided information that I corroborated the best I could at the time. I appreciate you were able to find the accurate information. I guess the rest of your point is that I should bow down to the greatness that is you and stop attempting to pass information along if I am unable to go straight to the source for someone reason (site down). That seems to best practice in encouraging participation. I am quickly reminded why I don't post here.

3. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof

Not good
 

solus

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I attempted several times, several different ways to go straight to the source. The day of my posting VA legislature's site WAS NOT working, as I stated in my post. I did, however, see the same information across many different sites before posting. I made EVERY attempt available to me that day to research. I posted in case it hadn't made it on the radar in an attempt to assist someone that this would impact despite the fact that it would have no immediate impact on myself. I didn't call for anyone to go out and burn the state to the ground but simply provided information that I corroborated the best I could at the time. I appreciate you were able to find the accurate information. I guess the rest of your point is that I should bow down to the greatness that is you and stop attempting to pass information along if I am unable to go straight to the source for someone reason (site down). That seems to best practice in encouraging participation. I am quickly reminded why I don't post here.

Not good

whoa there & wait before toss'g them chastising pebbles at me willie..from your OP quote: ...because the link I had wouldn't load. I think the site may be down...unquote. No where in your OP wille do you mention VA Legislative site, further willie, please look at the prefile date cited in your post...nov 2019 as well as the proposed bill number, SB 64.

willie...the moral of the story is you didn't even have Lucus' proposed bill number right and i took the liberty of providing the history: [ya see any mention of november?]

finally willie, my intent initially was to correct your posted misinformation so those members across the country who still turn to the premier OC forum for their information have a reasonable belief it is viable.

that your feelings are worn on your sleeve and my post got you derrière hurt isn't my wish nor that you felt the need to wave the invisible martyr flag cuz of it ~ wear your big boy pants!
 

willy1094

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guess the best bet willy1094 is to not to get your misinformation from blog but rather a viable source like the VA legislature site ~ huh!

Words and punctuation mean something.

whoa there & wait before toss'g them chastising pebbles at me willie..from your OP quote: ...because the link I had wouldn't load. I think the site may be down...unquote. No where in your OP wille do you mention VA Legislative site,
I also said the information I posted was second hand. In my mind that means it was NOT for the VA.gov site. However, it was my error in not being more specific.

further willie, please look at the prefile date cited in your post...nov 2019 as well as the proposed bill number, SB 64.

willie...the moral of the story is you didn't even have Lucus' proposed bill number right and i took the liberty of providing the history: [ya see any mention of november?]

Try this http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+SB64+hil. This is the link I was referring to that was not working at the time of my posting. There you can see the text SENATE BILL NO. 64 Offered January 8, 2020 Prefiled November 21, 2019 A BILL to amend and reenact § 18.2-433.2 of the Code of Virginia, relating to paramilitary activities; penalty.----------Patron-- Lucas----------Referred to Committee for Courts of Justice

finally willie, my intent initially was to correct your posted misinformation so those members across the country who still turn to the premier OC forum for their information have a reasonable belief it is viable.

that your feelings are worn on your sleeve and my post got you derrière hurt isn't my wish nor that you felt the need to wave the invisible martyr flag cuz of it ~ wear your big boy pants!

Mr Solus you really hold no position to have any influence on my feelings. My point was that the forum is supposed to be a place where pro 2A minded people are meant to assist and support one another. The information you posted was helpful but then you felt the need to be condescending and throw in a small, passive jab right at the end. This is something you are well versed in. How is that a positive contribution to the viability of this site? Your reply solidifies this observation. So, as stated in my last reply, you don't really care if anyone comes OR GOES.

Everything I posted is a cut and past of http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+SB64+hil . So I guess I didn't do too bad despite being forced to use misinformation from blog (with cited sources) but rather a viable source like the VA legislature site ~ huh!
 

Ken56

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This is what happens when people don't vote. You can't tell me that rural VA is full of liberals who support this stuff. They get what they deserve for not getting off their lazy butts and voting. Good luck to VA now.
 

color of law

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This is what happens when people don't vote. You can't tell me that rural VA is full of liberals who support this stuff. They get what they deserve for not getting off their lazy butts and voting. Good luck to VA now.
True, but Tenn is not the bastion state of gun rights.
 

OC for ME

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3. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.
This one is up there with VA's "brandishing" law...nothing but a means for the end to be achieved...arrest and conviction of lawful OCers in VA for engaging in otherwise lawful behavior.
 

solus

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This one is up there with VA's "brandishing" law...nothing but a means for the end to be achieved...arrest and conviction of lawful OCers in VA for engaging in otherwise lawful behavior.

uh, er, ummmm...the bill being proposed is in the VA legislature...bloomberg land!
 
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