Dude arrested for miscounting rounds put into his pistol mag?

[davidmcbeth]

I'm not an LEO anywhere. What I was saying was purely hypothetical. All I'm saying is, if I'm a police officer and the department passes a blatantly unconstitutional magazine capacity law, I would enforce the law. That's not to say I wouldn't work to try to have it repealed (I would). But the law is the law and the police are supposed to enforce it.

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And you do know that some people would shoot you before allowing you to arrest them?

 

[WalkingWolf]

I'm not an LEO anywhere. What I was saying was purely hypothetical. All I'm saying is, if I'm a police officer and the department passes a blatantly unconstitutional magazine capacity law, I would enforce the law. That's not to say I wouldn't work to try to have it repealed (I would). But the law is the law and the police are supposed to enforce it.

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Well I was a LEO, and your hypothetical is bovine scatology. Police do not have to enforce most laws, and their departments in most cases do not force them to. In fact in those departments with unions it is very hard to get rid of a police officer even when they screw up. And NY police are mostly union. The only time a officer loses his discretion is when a judge names that specific officer to serve a warrant, and then the officer is trouble with the court not the police dept if he declines. Judges rarely direct warrants to one person though, unless there is a request for it.

 

[tattedupboy]

Well I was a LEO, and your hypothetical is bovine scatology. Police do not have to enforce most laws, and their departments in most cases do not force them to. In fact in those departments with unions it is very hard to get rid of a police officer even when they screw up. And NY police are mostly union. The only time a officer loses his discretion is when a judge names that specific officer to serve a warrant, and then the officer is trouble with the court not the police dept if he declines. Judges rarely direct warrants to one person though, unless there is a request for it.

Nothing at all bovinely scatological about my hypothetical scenario. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

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[XD40sc]

He may or may not agree with the law, but he wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't enforce it (he is a law ENFORCEMENT officer, after all).

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So when was the last time you were stopped for a very minor vehicle offense, did the cop count the bullets in your gun? Crime is so under control in NY, that a burned out tag light is all there is left to enforce?

 

[XD40sc]

So if you were an officer in New York State, are you telling me you'd put your job in jeopardy and overlook anyone breaking the law, regardless of how stupid or unconstitutional it may be? And please don't say you'd look for another job if it ever came to that.

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Please site specific examples of where cops were fired for not stopping every vehicle with a burned out tag light, they we will have something to talk about. Ever pass a cop running radar 57 in a 55 zone, and he didn't pull you over and write you a ticket. Was he fired?

 

[XD40sc]

You're not answering the question. Would you or would you not uphold the law, regardless of how unreasonable it is?

So you would enforce a petty law which is counter to the Constitution of the United States?

 

[XD40sc]

So you would put your job in jeopardy.

Many people have ethics and standards, and the courage to stand up for what is right, and will not compromise especially not over being scared of loosing a job. What's your excuse?

 

[XD40sc]

Sorry but my job is my and my family's well being. No way on Earth would I jeopardize it because I disagree with a company policy (or in this case, a law that I'm supposed to enforce).

WOW, that is pathetic, characterless, mindless, subservient pawn.

 

[MAC702]

Sorry but my job is my and my family's well being. No way on Earth would I jeopardize it because I disagree with a company policy (or in this case, a law that I'm supposed to enforce).

Unless it required you to what?

I mean, surely you have a line SOMEWHERE, right?

 

[sharkey]

He may or may not agree with the law, but he wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't enforce it (he is a law ENFORCEMENT officer, after all).

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[PFC HALE]

so earning money is a higher priority than the unalienable rights of a citizen... lol

my family takes precedence over your rights given the fact that a LEO is sworn to uphold the constitution. such total hypocritical bullsh!t

 

[tattedupboy]

The people to be upset at are the lawmakers making the laws and the governor whose signature makes the law official. You cannot get upset at a cop for enforcing it; cops don't make the laws, they just enforce them.

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[OC for ME]

Now this makes sense.

Officer discretion is the/a relief valve, I believe, that the average beat cop can use to thumb his nose at idiot "lawmakers" when lawmakers are idiots. I support officer discretion when it makes sense. Unfortunately all officers have the discretion to arrest and let a judge work it out. Those officers I hold in low regard.

 

[DryBones]

I wonder if things would have been different if he hadn't also been driving with a suspended license? Perhaps a little advice about the new law and the penalties he could have incurred as he removed 2 rounds from the mag and handed it back to him?

 

[MAC702]

... Perhaps a little advice about the new law and the penalties he could have incurred as he removed 2 rounds from the mag and handed it back to him?

EXACTLY!

This counts as "law enforcement." Too bad some "law enforcement" officers have different priorities, because not all "law enforcement" meets quotas, or bags "collars."

 

[XD40sc]

It is just so obvious that this guy was targeted because he was a gun owner. Cop runs a tag from his patrol car, comes back registered to this guy, and he is flagged as a gun permit holder.

Then look for 'something', any reason possible to pull him over. There it is, that tag light.

"Good evening sir, I pulled you over because your tag light is out, let me count your bullets." Cops do and have always profiled who they pull over. Ever hear of "driving while black" profiling that is still a common practice?

Pulled for a tag light........... has anyone here, or anyone you know been pulled over for something so minor?

 

[mpguy]

So for those who let people get off on a speeding ticket, should they lose there job too?

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[WalkingWolf]

The people to be upset at are the lawmakers making the laws and the governor whose signature makes the law official. You cannot get upset at a cop for enforcing it; cops don't make the laws, they just enforce them.

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The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, in your mind it is better to violate the constitution, and enforce void laws. Yea that makes sense. NOT!

 

[davidmcbeth]

The people to be upset at are the lawmakers making the laws and the governor whose signature makes the law official. You cannot get upset at a cop for enforcing it; cops don't make the laws, they just enforce them.

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Should not get upset? You are kidding right? You won't have this attitude if you miscount and have 8 rds in your mag.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Should not get upset? You are kidding right? You won't have this attitude if you miscount and have 8 rds in your mag.

He's in Indiana, it is not his concern, and he is not even a LEO which he did not bother to tell until push came to shove. But he would probably make a good NYS police candidate, he has that progressive mindset.