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[LMTD]

First, sorry, sir, but someone who claims to bill out at $300 per hour should be able to write more coherent sentences, especially when talking down to most of the thread participants.

While Bess may have had bad timing as far as some are concerned, he had ZERO obligation to time it any other way or to act any differently than he is inclined.
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Some days Pete, I do not fret enough over grammar to care, that must have been one of them and since I was not billing for it, I was not concerned about it, touche' eh? by the way, after all the years foolin about here on this site, is that the best you got? I have screwed up far far worse Pete.

While he may have had ZERO obligation in your mind, when a man gives his word, most do not consider that ZERO obligation, nor do I myself. If you say you are going to do something, do it and if you have no intention of doing it, then don't indicate otherwise, it is not a hard process to follow.

Seems folks still want to pretend it is about restricting someone's freedom, it is not and never was, it is about saying one thing and doing another, that is all it has ever been about. Bess had every legal right to do what he did and you will not find a place where I have said otherwise, he even has the legal right to do it after he agreed not to if he so chooses, but I am not going to cry about it because a few bleeding hearts want to scream it was his right when no one has claimed otherwise.

 

[peterarthur]

Some days Pete, I do not fret enough over grammar to care, that must have been one of them and since I was not billing for it, I was not concerned about it, touche' eh? by the way, after all the years foolin about here on this site, is that the best you got? I have screwed up far far worse Pete..

The best I "got" No, but since I have not been foolin around here on this site for "years" (only about two or so, I believe), I expect I don't know alot about many on here. I don't come into these forums looking for a fight with other OC supporters. But when I see condescension directed at individuals that may not be able to stand up to it, I cannot let it go unanswered. Especially since I am prone to the same fault

While he may have had ZERO obligation in your mind, when a man gives his word, most do not consider that ZERO obligation, nor do I myself. If you say you are going to do something, do it and if you have no intention of doing it, then don't indicate otherwise, it is not a hard process to follow..

I have to agree. If he gave his word to be "good", then he has compromised his own integrity. A man's word is a law unto himself, and failure to keep it should be called out, assuming that this is true. I am glad you called him out, and this will be good for him, if he is lacking in this respect and is willing to be the best he can be.

Seems folks still want to pretend it is about restricting someone's freedom, it is not and never was, it is about saying one thing and doing another, that is all it has ever been about. Bess had every legal right to do what he did and you will not find a place where I have said otherwise, he even has the legal right to do it after he agreed not to if he so chooses, but I am not going to cry about it because a few bleeding hearts want to scream it was his right when no one has claimed otherwise.

The freedom part was not directed to you, sir, as I hoped to indicate by writing that as the second point of my post. I actually believe you have been quite clear on this. And I would hope that it would be understood that any pointed remark on a quote is intended for the quote referenced only and not indicative of the perceived value on any other statement you have made on this site. Having been involved directly in the political process myself over the last 3 years, I appreciate how aggravating and painful it can be, and I would not deign to suggest otherwise. So thank you for that work.

 

[LMTD]

The best I "got" No, but since I have not been foolin around here on this site for "years" (only about two or so, I believe), I expect I don't know alot about many on here.

So thank you for that work.

Well lots come and go and perhaps it just seems you have been here for years eh? (lol, poke you with a stick, two is indeed plural )

No need to thank me, thanks to some poorly informed politicians, the NRA and the whole process in general, this was a totally ineffective years worth of effort.

Just seemed everywhere we turned someone/something else was shooting us in the foot. Felt like more of a door to door Rainbow salesman than anything else only we must have been pushing VCR's or something lol.

As it was indeed totally ineffective, perhaps this years strategies should be different. We rattled some cages last year without any doubt, it will be interesting to see who all gets involved this year. 2012 started in May of 2011, wonder who all will be on board for 2013?

Either way Pete, hope you and the other 10 had a great holiday.

 

[peterarthur]

After I finally found the video, I have to say that Officer Horn is just a full on DICK. Every officer there was pathetic in his line of reasoning and they ALL need education and training. Upon further contemplation, I think maybe Bess SHOULD have done what he did for, YES, the express purpose of baiting. This city needs an enema. I have had MANY encounters with LEO, and nothing of this disgusting "caliber" has ever occurred. The Washington MO PD is an embarrassment to its community and that loudmouthed, fat asshat Horn is one of the worst cops I have ever seen on video. What a piece of southern white trash, I am surprised that his uniform has sleeves on it.

Bess, I think you did talk too much, but that was alot of crazy intimidating pressure. I am surprised that you found so many good responses with that many officers yelling at you. But I think next time, you might be better served to take the CheckpointUSA (on youtube) approach, stonewall and keep asking "Am I under arrest, Am I being detained, what crime do you suspect I have committed?" etc. I know it is hard when you are being INTERROGATED for performing a lawful act, but I seem to shut them down faster by refusing to "chat" with them or trade verbal volleys.

And I had to send an email to the mayor at slucy@ci.washington.mo.us:

"As a resident of the state of Missouri and a veteran of the US Army, I am appalled at the embarrassing response of the Washington, MO PD to an open carry advocate. These officers, including a state trooper, purport to be defenders of the Constitution, in fact, likely swore an OATH to do the same, yet they yell and interrogate a citizen acting LEGALLY while making assertions about their authority that are not true, such as the right to demand his identity while unable to articulate suspicion of a crime. The supreme court has already ruled that simply being armed does NOT in fact indicate a reasonable suspicion of a crime, regardless of whether or not it was called in by some nervous citizen, as long as there was no legal or suspicious activity, and being armed is NOT a suspicious activity.

Officer Horn was especially abrasive and unprofessional and reflects VERY poorly on the city. You let your officers speak that way to citizens (subjects???)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g71VfyHiWPA

And the Police Chief Hahn needs to get a copy of the Constitution. He is a tyrant in the making and an enemy of the Constitution if he continues down the path of removing the ability of upstanding citizens from being armed.

Is your city not located in a state that has joined the union and approved the Constitution as the supreme law of the land?? Seems many on the city payroll aren't aware what the Constitution actually says or means. What a pathetic place to live. You must be proud of your position as its leader... Even Kansas City, home of Emmanuel Cleaver, knows better.

If these are things that already bother you, and you have already put wheels in motion to rectify these affronts to liberty, I applaud and will support you. Otherwise, enjoy your little corner of future Nazi Amerika.

If I speak strongly and angrily, it is because I hope to effect change with words. The only other option is unthinkable, and I desperately hope to avoid the civil unrest that this country is rocketing its way toward. Please help us all avoid the future that Obama and his tyrannical cronies in BOTH parties have planned for us.

Humbly and independently,"

Probably pointless, possibly rude if the mayor is a 2A advocate, but I am sick of speaking politely. We must become more verbally aggressive if we wish to avoid being physically defensive... read the founding fathers and you will see what I mean. Their letters were extremely rude and to the point for the time they were written in. People must know that we are serious. Unfortunately, strong words were not enough in George Washington's time. Maybe we will have more luck. I sure hope so...

 

[9026543]

All the p***y footing will accomplish is a foot in the p***y.

 

[Festus_Hagen]

All the p***y footing will accomplish is a foot in the p***y.

By all means, step up and go git 'em !

Lot's of keyboard commandos here, but nobody does $@!t when it comes right down to it. Where are all the lawsuits against the .gov for "violating someone's rights" ?

I thought so . Post a video and complain about it, sounds about right.