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Don't bring your gun to the Richmond Airport!

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From the article:
"I understand the right to bear arms and I can see how some people would say that's very important but an airport is a place where everybody should feel safe," passenger Emma Lynch said.
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Hey, as long as you "feel safe" everything is ok, right?? (never mind that you may not actually BE safe...). :banghead:
 
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JamesCanby said:
Why can't "journalists" EVER report a firearm-related story accurately? The handgun in the picture is a Ruger LCP that is chambered in .380 caliber, yet the story describes it as a .38 caliber handgun.
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Technically it is a .357 caliber handgun, as caliber refers to barrel/bullet diameter and the barrel diameter of a Ruger LCP is .357. However, do to inconsistent naming conventions over the years, .357 caliber cartridges are frequently described as .38 caliber and it is to late to fix that.

So, moving on and accepting the above error, you are still wrong. The commonly accepted usage is that .38 caliber is the set of all handgun rounds that are either .38 in diameter, or that are named .38 or any variation thereof.

So while it would have been wrong for them to have said something like ".38 acp", or ".38 special", as those are specifically other rounds than this gun uses, .38 caliber is okay because it is a catchall term. .380 acp would have been better of course, being far more specific, but that doesn't make the article wrong. It is like the difference between describing an automobile as a "Black SUV" instead of as a "Black Toyota Highlander". Both are correct, the second is just much more specific.



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Jim -

Good job, overall. Brent and the folks who trod on the cutting room floor probably accounted for most of what got my dander up.

A pro tip for anybody who finds themselves headed for a permissive (I hate that term) location but diverted to a non-permissive one: DO NOT collect your checked luggage at the nonpermissive locale airport. Go to the airline's Lost Luggage office and report it as missing, and ask them to send it on to you (at your permissive destination) when it is found. As long as you do not take possession of it, it is still properly checked and TSA-inspected and even if taken off one plane and put on another it is good to go.

You did insure your luggage beyond what the airline "provides" (as required by law but does not cover stuff like firearms - or guitars*) for the value of your firearm and other stuff, didn't you?

stay safe.

* - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Breaks_Guitars
 
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arentol said:
Technically it is a .357 caliber handgun, as caliber refers to barrel/bullet diameter and the barrel diameter of a Ruger LCP is .357. However, do to inconsistent naming conventions over the years, .357 caliber cartridges are frequently described as .38 caliber and it is to late to fix that.

So, moving on and accepting the above error, you are still wrong. The commonly accepted usage is that .38 caliber is the set of all handgun rounds that are either .38 in diameter, or that are named .38 or any variation thereof.

So while it would have been wrong for them to have said something like ".38 acp", or ".38 special", as those are specifically other rounds than this gun uses, .38 caliber is okay because it is a catchall term. .380 acp would have been better of course, being far more specific, but that doesn't make the article wrong. It is like the difference between describing an automobile as a "Black SUV" instead of as a "Black Toyota Highlander". Both are correct, the second is just much more specific.



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A 380 is .359 not .357
 
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peter nap said:
A 380 is .359 not .357
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Neck of fired .380 case I have measure's .355 (9 mm)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.380_ACP

Specifications
Case type
Rimless, straight
Bullet diameter
.355 in (9.0 mm)
Neck diameter
.373 in (9.5 mm)
Base diameter
.374 in (9.5 mm)
Rim diameter
.374 in (9.5 mm)
Rim thickness
.045 in (1.1 mm)
Case length
.680 in (17.3 mm)
Overall length
.984 in (25.0 mm)
Maximum pressure
21,500 psi (148 MPa)
 
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peter nap said:
A 380 is .359 not .357
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What is a "380"?

It's that like a 360 except you keep your skateboard going an extra 20 degrees?

If you meant "a .380 acp", which is something that actually exists.... Well, you are still wrong. The bullet is .355, not .359.

Also .380 acp barrels vary from .356 to .360, and at the time the .380 acp was invented they were usually aiming for and achieving .357 or .358. They didn't try for.355 or .356 because a too narrow a bore was dangerous while a too wide of one was just annoying.

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Wolf_shadow said:
Neck of fired .380 case I have measure's .355 (9 mm)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.380_ACP

Specifications
Case typeRimless, straight
Bullet diameter.355 in (9.0 mm)
Neck diameter.373 in (9.5 mm)
Base diameter.374 in (9.5 mm)
Rim diameter.374 in (9.5 mm)
Rim thickness.045 in (1.1 mm)
Case length.680 in (17.3 mm)
Overall length.984 in (25.0 mm)
Maximum pressure21,500 psi (148 MPa)
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Sorry, you're right WS Jacketed is .355. I cast 9mm to 359 and size to 358 which is standard.
 
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arentol said:
What is a "380"?

It's that like a 360 except you keep your skateboard going an extra 20 degrees?

If you meant "a .380 acp", which is something that actually exists.... Well, you are still wrong. The bullet is .355, not .359.

Also .380 acp barrels vary from .356 to .360, and at the time the .380 acp was invented they were usually aiming for and achieving .357 or .358. They didn't try for.355 or .356 because a too narrow a bore was dangerous while a too wide of one was just annoying.

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Pardon me for neglecting the ACP. I forgot I was in a thread with foreigners. :lol: Down here in Virginia we figure things out like that. Interesting you use Skate Boarding as an example.
 
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The idea of having an unloaded gun in checked baggage scares me; what if you should unexpectedly wind up at JFK or Newark and the airport wants to return your bag. They will have you arrested.
 
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