CZ-52

[cloudcroft]

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Made in China? How about these -- a bit tough to CC though:

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/pps43-pis.aspx (made in Poland)

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/sterling-pistol.aspx (made in Texas)

...but they seem well-suited for this hot cartridge. Getting parts might be an issue however.

As for Norinco, I have a thing about supporting the PRC's army so I wouldn't buy anything from them. Some RVN vets are like that. And Korean War vets, too.

-- John D.

 

[heliopolissolutions]

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*facepalm*

 

[lumberjackx13]

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Greetings. with the Cz-52. i note that no one has mentioned that the caliber is the same as the Tokarev, but the ammunition is not. it is a 10% boost in speed and power over the TT. CZ-52 ammo goes 1,650 fps. shoot submachine gun Russian ammo in it. Main thing not mentioned is that the 7.62 X 25 m/m round will zip right through soft body armor. which more and more criminals are wearing on the job now. You shoot them with most of what is available and they will simply be rocked a little then kill you. with the CZ-52 and full spec ammo they are simply shot through and through. ammo full spec is available from Cheaper then Dirt. warning, this stuff is not marked over power and will disassemble a TT if fired in it. have fun. New ammo released now, but not in 7.62 X 25 m/m yet is called DRN for Dead Right Now. it is made for police and has a powder core instead of lead. hit the target the bullet comes apart and only the powdered core enters and wipes out the target. plus no bullet to run balistics on. saw that also at cheaper than dirt.

 

[heliopolissolutions]

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lumberjackx13 wrote:

Greetings. with the Cz-52. i note that no one has mentioned that the caliber is the same as the Tokarev, but the ammunition is not. it is a 10% boost in speed and power over the TT. CZ-52 ammo goes 1,650 fps. shoot submachine gun Russian ammo in it. Main thing not mentioned is that the 7.62 X 25 m/m round will zip right through soft body armor. which more and more criminals are wearing on the job now. You shoot them with most of what is available and they will simply be rocked a little then kill you. with the CZ-52 and full spec ammo they are simply shot through and through. ammo full spec is available from Cheaper then Dirt. warning, this stuff is not marked over power and will disassemble a TT if fired in it. have fun. New ammo released now, but not in 7.62 X 25 m/m yet is called DRN for Dead Right Now. it is made for police and has a powder core instead of lead. hit the target the bullet comes apart and only the powdered core enters and wipes out the target. plus no bullet to run balistics on. saw that also at cheaper than dirt.

 

[Sammy.J]

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Mine is just a range gun. It is fun and accurate enough for that purpose. I still have surplus ammo left over from when it was cheap and plentiful. I have not found reliable enough ammo to bet my life on.

 

[TheMrMitch]

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Helio.....put me in the face palms too.

 

[Broondog]

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lumberjackx13 wrote:

Greetings. with the Cz-52. i note that no one has mentioned that the caliber is the same as the Tokarev, but the ammunition is not. it is a 10% boost in speed and power over the TT. CZ-52 ammo goes 1,650 fps. shoot submachine gun Russian ammo in it. Main thing not mentioned is that the 7.62 X 25 m/m round will zip right through soft body armor. which more and more criminals are wearing on the job now. You shoot them with most of what is available and they will simply be rocked a little then kill you. with the CZ-52 and full spec ammo they are simply shot through and through. ammo full spec is available from Cheaper then Dirt. warning, this stuff is not marked over power and will disassemble a TT if fired in it. have fun. New ammo released now, but not in 7.62 X 25 m/m yet is called DRN for Dead Right Now. it is made for police and has a powder core instead of lead. hit the target the bullet comes apart and only the powdered core enters and wipes out the target. plus no bullet to run balistics on. saw that also at cheaper than dirt.

really??


i don't think that *facepalm* is strong enough for this.

 

[heliopolissolutions]

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Damnit! We can't handle facepalms of that magnitude! Its too dangerous!

 

[HYRYSC]

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Dr. Donothing wrote:

Hmm. I have a CZ-52, the most unique CZ-52 on earth in fact, and I find it quite easily concealable.

 Someone on czforum.com did a test with Wolf JHPs and found them to be quite suitable.

 Me personally, I prefer a 10mm for toting around though.

Don't bring the 10mm up. That is an advanced subject. Only the truly awesome carry a 10!!

 

[ComradeV]

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Falco holsters for CZ-52 are awesome and affordable(kinda).

 

[simmonsjoe]

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cloudcroft wrote:

The Tokarev T-33 (also 7.62x25mm of course) is concealable due to its flatness and short grip.

It is therefore "awesomer." ;-)

-- John D.

Is not rated for the same ammo as the CZ-52. The CZ-52 ammo is kinda like +p rated stuff. It can make things confusing because ammo loaded for a CZ-52 will fit in any other gun meant for the tokarev round and damage it.

A CZ-52 shooting FMJs will penetrate level II armor.

I've often thought about what would happen if you necked a .40/.45 cal down to .32 and loaded a 130ish grain bullet in it. I'm fairly certain it would FTW.

 

[simmonsjoe]

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HYRYSC wrote:

Dr. Donothing wrote:

Hmm. I have a CZ-52, the most unique CZ-52 on earth in fact, and I find it quite easily concealable.

Someone on czforum.com did a test with Wolf JHPs and found them to be quite suitable.

Me personally, I prefer a 10mm for toting around though.

Don't bring the 10mm up. That is an advanced subject. Only the truly awesome carry a 10!!

I disagree. Except for hand-loads and hunting loads the 10mm puts up comparable ballistics to a .45ACP. For carry the .45ACP is a better choice due to weight/size of firearm needed. If your hunting, OK go with a 10mm. Or just get a .400 Cor-Bon barrel for your 1911 and you get both.

 

[kwikrnu]

I don't own a cz-52 and have never shot one, but I do have a Romanian TTC / tokarev. @ around $200 for the pistol with a holster and two magazines they are an inexpensive handgun. Surplus ammo is priced right at about $0.07-$0.10 /round, which is about twice as much as .22lr or 1/3-1/2 of what the cheap 9mm rounds cost.
Ballistics are great as the round will pierce some body armor. Armor is becoming very inexpensive and more and more criminals will start using it.

The only reason I won't carry the romanian TTC is because the vector v51p in 7.62x51 penetrates better.

 

[Daylen]

Condition? No round in chamber...I expect my "situational awareness" to give me time to rack the slide.

-- John D.

[EDITED to answer your question directly]

If only there was a holster that would let me do this while it is still in place.

 

[heresyourdipstickjimmy]

I love my CZ-52. It really isn't conceable but 7.62x25mm is awesome. It provides superior penetration and it is very affordable.

I sympathize with your problem. It's quite heavy and they tend to be a bit bigger to conceal. But, it CAN be done!

I certainly wish I would have been allowed to take pictures of some of the versions of the 52 I saw on deployment. I've seen the 7.62, 9x19, 9x18, threaded barrels, suppressed, compensated, the 7.62x25 machine gun, and even a rifle that took the bullet from the 52 and stuffed it into a rifle casing.

Some of you who shoot milsurp ammo from the 1950's or so, might want to check some of that ammo. It might actually be SCP (steel core penetrator).
Remember, the Bulgarian headstamps are some of the ones to watch out for as they tend to be the really hot machine gun ammunition that's even hotter than the standard 1650fps round. I've been witness to 2 52's that have fired Bulgarian ammo from 1959 and the pistols wound up in pieces. We found out later that the headstamps were for machine guns (oops!).

 

[ComradeV]

Czechoslovakia FTW

My father purchased 3 Good-Very Good cz-82's in September. I picked up one of them off of him and I find it to be a very sweet example for use of the 9mm Makarov calibre. I was right impressed with it and will most likely be using it for conceal and/or open carry when I return. Most likely I will be concealing for the winter with the shoulder holster but I have a good retention holster for open carry when spring comes, unless I finally figure out if I want a Glock 17 or not and if I do want one for sure I will carry that instead when open and maybe still the cz-82 for the concealed if I so choose.

 

[3fgburner]

I've got a CZ52 and a TT33. Both are range guns, although I did car-carry the '52 for a bit when I was driving in circumstances that had me leery of carjacking.

 

[ComradeV]

given their ages, such firearms as the cz-52 and tokarev are not ideal for carry, but I think they will do just fine if that's all you have at the moment.

 

[REALteach4u]

given their ages, such firearms as the cz-52 and tokarev are not ideal for carry, but I think they will do just fine if that's all you have at the moment.

Age is just a number my friend. My 52's have been very trustworthy. Weight is where it gets me. Like the older Russian AK-47's and RPK's, the 52 is a tank to say the least.

But, most 52 afficionados know all too well that the 52 wasn't built to shoot machine gun ammo. In fact, the machine gun ammo has been known to blow 52's to pieces by cracking slides. That's why it's said to check head stamps and learn them so you can avoid the machine gun ammo with a 52. Bulgarian ammo tends to fall in this category.

But what do I know, I've only owned about 15 of these from several different years of manufacture. The divot is what still eludes 52 collectors as there's no realiable documentation on what it means. I've found that my tolerances tend to be tighter on the single divot versions over versions with more divots.

 

[since9]

Greater muzzle velocity, but smaller and lighter bullets. On average, it provides 10% more kinetic energy, but 24% less momentum on target.

If you need a military pistol capable of penetrating light body armor, however...

The copper-jacketed steel rounds capable of doing this are illegal here in the U.S.