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openryan

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I like how the kids sister asked the police why he wasnt charged.

Not only was her brother a minor with a firearm, but not registered, no permit, and he was in the middle of a criminal act, nowhere does she bring this up, too bad you can't shoot people for having bad logic.
 

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More evidence of progress...




Gunman with permit suspect in shooting

Friday, April 27, 2007
Gabriel Baird

Plain Dealer Reporter


A permit to carry a conceal- ed weapon is not a license to shoot.

A bar confrontation early Wednesday highlights the difference.

About 2 a.m., Marlin Briggs, 38, was shot in the stomach at the Honey Do Club on St. Clair Avenue after an unidentified 59-year-old man struggled with Briggs' girlfriend.


Briggs' friend, Earl Grays, 31, ran to a 1997 Monte Carlo and grabbed his .40-caliber Smith and Wesson handgun, which he has a permit to carry.

Grays told police he fired "randomly" toward the bar, a report shows.

Someone else also fired shots, he said, but it is not clear who shot first or whether Grays' life was in danger.

The man Briggs had struggled with was hit in the left calf and twice in the foot. The police report does not make it clear whether the bullets were from Grays' gun.

Grays got Briggs to the car and drove him to Huron Hospital. Now Grays and the 59-year-old man both are suspected in the incident.

The case contrasted with Damon Wells' shooting Saturday of a suspected armed robber outside his home.

When Wells shot Arthur Buford, he was protecting himself, police said.

But investigators aren't sure that Grays was defending his life.

In general, the law does not protect you if you shoot when you are not threatened or after the danger has passed.

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:

gbaird@plaind.com, 216-999-4141
 

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HankT wrote:
In general, the law does not protect you if you shoot when you are not threatened or after the danger has passed.

Hmmm. I know that at least here, you have the right to protect yourself, *OR* another person you feel needs protecting. Is that not the case there?

Thanks!
Greg
 

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gregma wrote:
HankT wrote:
In general, the law does not protect you if you shoot when you are not threatened or after the danger has passed.

Hmmm. I know that at least here, you have the right to protect yourself, *OR* another person you feel needs protecting. Is that not the case there?

I would think it is. The writer of the article is pathetically unclear about his point, but I think he is implying that the investigators were pondering the question of whether Grays or his pal were in "imminent" danger when Grays was shooting "randomly" at whatever/whomeverhe was shooting at.

The entire reporting is poorly done and there has been no follow-up to clear up the questions that the article obviously raises.
 

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HankT wrote:
gregma wrote:
HankT wrote:
In general, the law does not protect you if you shoot when you are not threatened or after the danger has passed.

Hmmm. I know that at least here, you have the right to protect yourself, *OR* another person you feel needs protecting. Is that not the case there?
I would think it is. The writer of the article is pathetically unclear about his point, but I think he is implying that the investigators were pondering the question of whether Grays or his pal were in "imminent" danger when Grays was shooting "randomly" at whatever/whomeverhe was shooting at.

The entire reporting is poorly done and there has been no follow-up to clear up the questions that the article obviously raises.
Why couldn't the 2 men ages 31 and 38 protect the Girlfriend from a59 year old man who isn't even said to have a gun?i just cant understand why 2 YOUNG MEN help a women against a 59 YEAR OLD MAN? and i have seen these situations before, the Girlfriend wants to see if "her" man will stick up for her NO MATTER WHAT the circumstances so she starts a "scene" and OBVIOUSLY the 59 year old wasn't going to put up with her $h*t and THAT started the whole scene
I COULD BE WRONG, but i doubt it,,i was once in a bar,seen a girl come up to the bar and steal some Bills & change from a guy at the bar,probably about $12 or so,,well the guy raised hell and here comes the thieving girls "boys" and she had the nerve to tell the guys that the other guy tried to kiss her and that's whythere was a "little" disturbance,,well as soon as i heard that i told the bar tender/owner what really happened and he listened to me because he knew i wouldn't lie to him since me and him are good friends so he threw ALL 3 of their asses out the door
I live out here in Hillbilly country in the great State of Ohio,,and our bars out here don't call the Sheriff UNLESS it's absolutely needed!!!:shock:
 

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duck ninja wrote:
"Gun supporters said the weapon saved Wells' life. Opponents said it took Buford's - that the 15-year-old might be alive if a citizen had not been armed. "

You've got to be kidding me! Somebody's missing the point.If the 15 year old had not attempted a felony armed robbery he might be alive. Yes it's tragic that a 15 year old lost his life, but the tragedy lies in his decision to become a criminal. I'm glad that a law abiding citizen was able to protect his life from one that might take it.

Absolutely correct. It was the kids decision to commit the crime and he got what he was willing to give. It is tragic that someone, especially a 15 year old, decided on a life of crime, but that is their choice.

If you make the choice, you also accept the consequences of that choice.
 

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I ALWAYS carried myStar.45when iwent to Cleveland! I have had 5 hip replacements ,but when i was on Hip surgery #3 me and the wife had to go to University Hospital where my hip Dr. was,,we always took a certain route and 1 day in the Winter we didn't get out of the hospital untill 8:30 PM,,well the lady working the desk told my wife that we took the LONG WAY to and from the hospital and said we could cut a lot of time if we got off at 55th Street or something like that,,well i told the wife we would go that route the NEXT TIME!,,well she whined so i gave in,well we took a WRONG TURN somewhere,and ended up right in the middle of the "BAD" part of town,,my wife ALWAYS complained when i took my gun because i didnt have a permit back then(around 1992),,well that night when the people were walking up and looking in the car because we weren't the same as them,she was HAPPY i had it with me,,i just went out and put it in a "LOCKED" case inside the car while she was getting ready,i knew it wouldnt take LONG at all to get it,,and it DIDN'T!!! they didnt have CCW back then and i knew that with my hip just being ripped out not to long ago,i WOULDNT be able to hold off a Girl Scout in my condition.

BUT i went by the old adage,,i would rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it,,needless to say we NEVER went that route again!

XD-40-Bob
 
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