City of Washington OC ban

[LMTD]

In fact, there were a couple of rather large gatherings at a Washington restaurant over the past year as I recall, which is the same area that Mr. Bess was supposedly asked not to OC in sometime over the past year. Kinda ironic, don't you think?

So I'm not sure who was supposed to "kick this guy out" of "the group" or not "allow" him to attend these gatherings that took place at places that were open to the general public.

It is indeed not "in fact" sir, the event was held in Pacific MO. An area Mr. Bess lives in, has taken a great deal of harassment from police in and he has promoted OC awareness within that community.

There was a proposed Washington event recently, I am not aware if it happened or not, I was out of town and could not attend.

 

[cshoff]

It is indeed not "in fact" sir, the event was held in Pacific MO. An area Mr. Bess lives in, has taken a great deal of harassment from police in and he has promoted OC awareness within that community.

There was a proposed Washington event recently, I am not aware if it happened or not, I was out of town and could not attend.

I stand corrected. The events were right next door to Washington, in Pacific.

 

[OC for ME]

Sir, I offer that is EXACTLY what 21.750 is designed to do, make it so difficult that people will not participate in a perfectly legal activity.

I have no link I can share, it is information from someone looking to put together an even there to rally support for Sen Nieves, that was when it became clear it was a political nightmare.

Technically, if a city enacts a prohibition on OC, via RSMo 21.750.3, then OC is not a legal activity, there. But, the individual at the epicenter of this minor brouhaha is alleged to have deep six'd our statewide OC chances this year in a place (Pacific? Washington?) where 21.750.3 is not used to enact a ban on OC.

SECTION 210.280: UNLAWFUL USE OF WEAPON

A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons if he knowingly:
1. Carries concealed upon or about his person a knife, firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use; or
2. Sets a spring gun; or
3. Exhibits, in the presence of one (1) or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner; or
4. Possesses or discharges a firearm or projectile weapon while intoxicated; or
5. Discharges a firearm within one hundred (100) yards of any occupied school house, courthouse, or church building; or
6. Discharges or shoots a firearm at a mark, at any object, or at random, on, along or across a public highway or discharges or shoots a firearm into any outbuilding; or
7. Discharges or shoots a firearm within the City limits. (RSMo. §571.030.1)

http://z2codes.sullivanpublications.com/sullivan/Z2Browser2.html?showset=pacificset

So, the logical question. Why is Pacific not a city that uses RSMo 21.750.3 to ban OC due to the aberrant behavior of Mr. Bess seems to display on a somewhat regular basis in that fair city?

In fact, given the proclivities of Mr. Bess, Pacific continues to 'deal' with Mr. Bess on a one-to-one basis instead of affecting the remainder of its citizens with a clearly unconstitutional burden. A question to be posed to our honorable elected reps perhaps?

 

[zekester]

Actually, I got quite a large amount of criticism for the 2-14 incident with the St. Peters police, two weeks before I testified at the house hearing for 1369. More than one person was unhappy about it.

Well, there you go......why oh why...were we not informed?

You posted what happened in St Peters, but decided not to post the reaction from the legislators?

This was back in Feb. If we were all informed of the situation back then....and Bess did his thing after the fact...then by all means we should crucify Bess....but allowing it to be a secret for months, is not fair to Bess ..(ok...perhaps he was asked to curtail his activity....then I should have been told the same) or the rest of us, who do what we can, when we can, with limited resources and time that might be avaliable.

I don't think, you letting us know you were warned (informed) in Feb or early March...that negative press is not a good thing, would have violated any confidence with the legislators..

LMTD...you know I respect what you do, but sometimes you seem to forget, that we are in the same boat. It just seems that you are in a Yacht and the rest of us are in a 14ft Jon boat!!...

I see those Precious Moment Figurines weeping as we speak!

Just saying

 

[OC for ME]

I curtailed my OC and transitioned to CCW for the remainder of the legislative session. Figured out all by myself....no small accomplishment either, the figuring out part that is.

 

[Mo]

I am starting to think many others in this community have some sort of social deficiency. I feel a lot of the guys in the OC movement use the gun to exhibit or challenge authority. This exhibition of authority isn't used against criminals as a means of deterrence, but more often as a way to exhibit authority over the general populace. OCers like this get off on the looks and whispers they get and the feeling of power or recognition (or even mistaken authority) they get from it. This undoubtedly some sort of mental mechanism used to supplement a lack of self confidence, lack of authority, or overall beta-male existence. IMO its pretty f***ing pathetic. Know what else? I think every one of you tools who don't see that is probably some neck-beard beta-male loser too.

Although your words are a bit harsh, I do believe there is an element of truth to it as much as I would like to deny, I can't.

Let's not deny that there are people in this movement that fit that fold. Thankfully, they are in the minority.

I remember reading a post awhile back and the person was bragging about how he got a discount at a fast food place because they thought he was a police officer. That's a seriously lame thing to brag about.

And then I've seen countless other threads that say things like "I'm brand new to guns and just bought my first gun today and I want to OC..." Any reasonable mature person would be more concered with getting familiar with guns and getting proficient. When its back assward, it really makes me wonder if they're truly insterested in exercising and protecting rights, or trying to be a bigshot. My guess is the latter.


To compare it to something non-OC related, I think of the people that drive around in used Crown Victoria cop cars. I'd say that in of itself really isn't an issue, but when they seem to get off on the fact that people slow down when they see them or whatever type of attention they get because of the car, that says a lot.

Just my .02