Calibers is Anti Gun

[awnuts]

Because in order to open carry, you don't need to go through a background check. Anybody could throw a pistol in their waistband (with or without a holster) or sling a rifle on their shoulder and Open Carry and I'm sure Calibers had seen it all. Let me tell you a little about me Mr. 3 posts total here. I'm Damien. I was a member of the Open Carry movement since I moved here in 2010, and when the New Mexico Open Carry group started, only recently left after seeing some of the stupid stuff posted there. Go ahead and ask Travis, Lucky, Roger, Francisco, David, Joseph, Carlos Jr. and Sr., and Leverett who I am. They can confirm that I know my **** when it comes to the laws and that I'd been a part of the movement since the start. I stand by my claim that arranging attacks on the store's reviews is childish.

-Damien

Working a gun shop and range many years I have seen the things stupid people try in a shop. Damien is right all you have to do to OC is carry. No one instructed you or qualified you to carry. Theres no test and no education on laws or carry unless you seek it. I'm not saying we need to get certified to carry but CC does have a minimum of standards required to do so. Also Calibers is a business with INSURANCE that has liabilities and insurance requirements that could be even outside the laws. So to again for Calibers request to not OC could be a liability issue not a company decision. We don't know Calibers extent of insurance nor is it our business. But to say Calibers is anti gun and lets stop shopping there is insane. We need every gun friendly business we can garner. Another thing is if we abuse our privilege to carry it could be placed in danger. Just because we can do something doesn't always mean its right. As for Damien I can say the guy knows his stuff and has an extensive background on laws and guns and has been a voice of reason. And if you think of it theres a few gun shops around that don't allow any type of carry in their stores yet we still shop there. There is no big deal or wrong going on.

 

[MAC702]

Working a gun shop and range many years I have seen the things stupid people try in a shop. Damien is right all you have to do to OC is carry. No one instructed you or qualified you to carry. Theres no test and no education on laws or carry unless you seek it. I'm not saying we need to get certified to carry but CC does have a minimum of standards required to do so. Also Calibers is a business with INSURANCE that has liabilities and insurance requirements that could be even outside the laws. So to again for Calibers request to not OC could be a liability issue not a company decision. We don't know Calibers extent of insurance nor is it our business. But to say Calibers is anti gun and lets stop shopping there is insane. We need every gun friendly business we can garner. Another thing is if we abuse our privilege to carry it could be placed in danger. Just because we can do something doesn't always mean its right. As for Damien I can say the guy knows his stuff and has an extensive background on laws and guns and has been a voice of reason. And if you think of it theres a few gun shops around that don't allow any type of carry in their stores yet we still shop there. There is no big deal or wrong going on.

Which explains why we never see guns in purses or pockets going off, or guns hanging on hooks in a bathroom, or _________.

Concealers are probably more likely to do stupid stuff.

The minimum "standards" to carry in any mode are not the issue. You can't legislate stupid.

The biggest problem is that "gun" is a dirty word, so that carriers are left on their own to get an education and ostracized while young if they want it. If the education started with gun safety in elementary schools, and progressed from there, problems would be virtually eliminated in a half-generation, because it is the ignorance of guns that has gotten the problem to where it is now.

Do you really think carrying a gun should be a privilege? It may be overly legislated, but you can't succumb to their line of thinking. Carrying a firearm is a right.

Stores obviously have a CHOICE of insurance plans. Many stores do not use insurance as an excuse. No need to make excuses for those who do. They deserve the consequences of their choices.

 

[solus]

solve the problem by taking your money $$$$ to Peterson's and do your practice out by the aeroport at shooting range park.

Ron's used to have quite the supply of firearms priced reasonably. Only problem with shooting range park is it is an outdoor range but it also is priced fairly and the staff is friendly.

works well here in Goldsboro as WT's the largest firearm dealer w/indoor range found out those who care and carry do not frequent their store due to the HUGE sign by the door stating no loaded weapons allowed. oh except for LEs...

ipse

 

[redsilver2]

Which explains why we never see guns in purses or pockets going off, or guns hanging on hooks in a bathroom, or _________.

Concealers are probably more likely to do stupid stuff.

The minimum "standards" to carry in any mode are not the issue. You can't legislate stupid.

The biggest problem is that "gun" is a dirty word, so that carriers are left on their own to get an education and ostracized while young if they want it. If the education started with gun safety in elementary schools, and progressed from there, problems would be virtually eliminated in a half-generation, because it is the ignorance of guns that has gotten the problem to where it is now.

Do you really think carrying a gun should be a privilege? It may be overly legislated, but you can't succumb to their line of thinking. Carrying a firearm is a right.

Stores obviously have a CHOICE of insurance plans. Many stores do not use insurance as an excuse. No need to make excuses for those who do. They deserve the consequences of their choices.

Well said MAC702! I feel like I've gone to a LIBERAL ANTI GUN Forum or maybe even a CCW Forum..... NOT a Forum JUST FOR OPEN CARRY.... Good lord, why are these other people even on here! And NO it's not an insurance reason that Calibers gave for a reason. They said it's because of something someone did in the past. Punish everyone for something 1 or 2 idiots did. Calibers can rot for all I care. They will sell you a gun but they don't trust you to carry one. And just because someone has a CCW doesn't make them any safer then the next guy. The class is nothing but teaching the Zillion laws that you have to follow anyhow. Does ANYONE actuality even fail the class???

Any how ..... I'm happy to write Calibers off and tell them off. Along with everyone I know and talk too. To each their own...

 

[awnuts]

Well said MAC702! I feel like I've gone to a LIBERAL ANTI GUN Forum or maybe even a CCW Forum..... NOT a Forum JUST FOR OPEN CARRY.... Good lord, why are these other people even on here! And NO it's not an insurance reason that Calibers gave for a reason. They said it's because of something someone did in the past. Punish everyone for something 1 or 2 idiots did. Calibers can rot for all I care. They will sell you a gun but they don't trust you to carry one. And just because someone has a CCW doesn't make them any safer then the next guy. The class is nothing but teaching the Zillion laws that you have to follow anyhow. Does ANYONE actuality even fail the class???

Any how ..... I'm happy to write Calibers off and tell them off. Along with everyone I know and talk too. To each their own...

You know for a fact Calibers insurance policy? And yes I was in a class where 9 people went and only two passed. So it does happen. And its not a punishment if you cant bring a gun in a store. There are plenty of places we cant carry and I still do business with. Its not the end of the world if you have to disarm for a few minutes. You do realize that anyone carrying a gun does not make you any better than a non carrying person? We have to coexist and lead by example to the non carrying public. We are still a minority in the scheme of things. If you worked the other side of a gun counter you wouldn't be screaming. I have and understand where the policy comes from. I utilize both forms of carry to suit my day and where I plan on being. If you really feel you cant live on this earth without a gun than I suggest getting a ccw also. This forum is about open carry but its also a resource for all information related to open carry and even as a ccw holder and user I still support open carry because its a part of the overall aspect of using a gun. I also support all forms of shooting and disciplines. Learn to express your efforts into teaching and welcoming new people into our world, its more fulfilling than looking for something wrong. And good luck finding a liberal around here.

 

[awnuts]

Which explains why we never see guns in purses or pockets going off, or guns hanging on hooks in a bathroom, or _________.

Concealers are probably more likely to do stupid stuff.

The minimum "standards" to carry in any mode are not the issue. You can't legislate stupid.

The biggest problem is that "gun" is a dirty word, so that carriers are left on their own to get an education and ostracized while young if they want it. If the education started with gun safety in elementary schools, and progressed from there, problems would be virtually eliminated in a half-generation, because it is the ignorance of guns that has gotten the problem to where it is now.

Do you really think carrying a gun should be a privilege? It may be overly legislated, but you can't succumb to their line of thinking. Carrying a firearm is a right.

Stores obviously have a CHOICE of insurance plans. Many stores do not use insurance as an excuse. No need to make excuses for those who do. They deserve the consequences of their choices.

Carrying a gun is a right. But if you read the second amendment it states nowhere how to carry, when to carry or where to carry. That's where the states are able to jump in and supply the laws. I agree if we taught safety in schools at a young age it would reduce crimes and take away the other issues of fear and mystique. In my perfect world all states would be constitutional states and if we do things the right way we might get there. Think back there was a time many states didn't have ccw nor open carry. The tides turning and we have to keep the momentum going but we have to be respectfull and responsible to get it done right. Look at other orgs and see the ones demanding they get very little done. In the meantime we need to teach our young on our own and teach the grown as well.

 

[MAC702]

...You do realize that anyone carrying a gun does not make you any better than a non carrying person? ....

Uh, yes, yes it does.

Ask any bad guy.

 

[AH.74]

Uh, yes, yes it does.

Ask any bad guy.

If you want to continue with good discussion, please do by all means.

But if you're going to continue to troll, make bad arguments and ridiculous posts such as this one, please find somewhere else to do it.

 

[AH.74]

awnuts- good to see you back, and with stuff I can fully agree with nonetheless!

 

[davidmcbeth]

Really guys? This is a group for OC is it not? We are supposed to fight and stand up for OC Rights are we not? Also this is true Open Carry, Holstered pistol on a belt or thigh not a rifle.
If they don't trust someone to OC then why the trust to CC? It's the same thing.
Maybe they are just trying to sell more CCW classes? But saying to me or any customer that "hey I trust you with a gun but only if you put your shirt over it" is ridiculous.

If you guys don't support Open Carry then that's fine but leave us that do to post our opinions without ridicule on an Open Carry site none the less.

OP makes a good point ! The business sounds like many governments

 

[redsilver2]

If you want to continue with good discussion, please do by all means.

But if you're going to continue to troll, make bad arguments and ridiculous posts such as this one, please find somewhere else to do it.

If there is any "Trolls" or "bad arguments" and "ridiculous posts" its you, awnuts and Damien!

 

[AH.74]

If there is any "Trolls" or "bad arguments" and "ridiculous posts" its you, awnuts and Damien!

This barely warrants one star out of 10. I can't even say "nice try."

Next.

 

[AH.74]

Well said MAC702! I feel like I've gone to a LIBERAL ANTI GUN Forum or maybe even a CCW Forum..... NOT a Forum JUST FOR OPEN CARRY.... Good lord, why are these other people even on here!

Do you realize that your extremist mindset is exactly the reason why our ability to open carry is in jeopardy?

 

[awnuts]

awnuts- good to see you back, and with stuff I can fully agree with nonetheless!

Thank you sir and yea it kinda feels good I'm not the one raising hackles around here lol. As far as other states I'm not sure of the militant approach or extremist mindset as being the way to go with our mission here in New Mexico. So far we have tried to be a low profile and carry to be seen but yet carry on our daily business without attracting attention. I myself carry for protection and if anyone asks I explain what's up. We know our right to carry and its also a fragile thing that can be taken especially in the anti gun climate we live in. Demanding and in your face approach to me is harmful to our cause. It leaves a bad impression with the non carrying public and a disrespect to what we are about. I feel we are not at war with the CC or the non carrying public and we should present our cause in a positive light. I support both methods of carry and utilize whichever suits my daily needs.

 

[WalkingWolf]

If you want to continue with good discussion, please do by all means.

But if you're going to continue to troll, make bad arguments and ridiculous posts such as this one, please find somewhere else to do it.

Since when did you become a moderator?

 

[Beau]

Do you realize that your extremist mindset is exactly the reason why our ability to open carry is in jeopardy?

Love this!

Don't do something that's legal or they will make it illegal!

A right unexercised is a right lost!

A right lost was never a right.

People like you are the way we got where we are/were.

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[WalkingWolf]

Do you realize that your extremist mindset is exactly the reason why our ability to open carry is in jeopardy?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Do you realize how incredibly ridiculous that statement is?

Love this!

Don't do something that's legal or they will make it illegal!

A right unexercised is a right lost!

A right lost was never a right.

People like you are the way we got where we are/were.

Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk

+1

 

[redsilver2]

Do you realize that your extremist mindset is exactly the reason why our ability to open carry is in jeopardy?

You think that boycotting a store because they don't allow OC is "extreme"?? It's the only way a citizen can show displeasure with a Business or State or place. Simply asking people to tell them that you don't like their policy and by not shopping there is a FAR cry from being extreme.
I don't support or shop at any business that bans guns. Period. On top of that I walk in and tell them that I shall not use their store for that exact reason. It's how change starts. And if they don't change at least they will start to notice they are loosing money because of a policy that will make not one single person safer.

 

[AH.74]

You think that boycotting a store because they don't allow OC is "extreme"?? It's the only way a citizen can show displeasure with a Business or State or place. Simply asking people to tell them that you don't like their policy and by not shopping there is a FAR cry from being extreme.
I don't support or shop at any business that bans guns. Period. On top of that I walk in and tell them that I shall not use their store for that exact reason. It's how change starts. And if they don't change at least they will start to notice they are loosing money because of a policy that will make not one single person safer.

No- I don't think that boycotting a store or expressing your opinion is extreme.

What I think is extreme is coming in here and accusing a store of infringing on your rights; I think it's extreme to believe you should be able to OC anywhere despite a private property owners' wishes; I think it's extreme to come in here and accuse long-time members of being trolls after only showing up a couple of months ago.

 

[AH.74]

Love this!

Don't do something that's legal or they will make it illegal!

A right unexercised is a right lost!

A right lost was never a right.

People like you are the way we got where we are/were.

Do you realize how incredibly ridiculous that statement is?

No, people like you two are the reason bills are circulating in the legislature to take away the ability to open carry in the roundhouse; and that's just a start if it passes. It will not be a long step to take it to the next level and outlaw it entirely. It happened in CA; it can happen here.

Discretion is the key. Just because you can do something doesn't mean it needs to be done. This in-your-face attitude which awnuts mentions is at the heart of the problem, from people like you two.

There is no right to open carry. The right involves keeping and bearing arms. It does not specify being able to openly carry them wherever and whenever you wish.

Give the politicians reason to pass bad law restricting this ability, and they will jump at the chance every time. Just like they are now.