Boy, 4, shoots babysitter for stepping on foot

[curtm1911]

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Hawkflyer,

I remember well those little grey plastic projectiles with "Greenie Stick-em" caps on them. The Mattel Fanner.50 was the handgun, can't remember the name for the rifle, but I do remember being intstructed in safety with one of the pistols and that those little grey bullets would go quite a distance with some force too, it would knock down those little green army men we all had and send them flying sometimes too....However, ALL FIREARM SAFETY RULES ALWAYS APPLIED WHEN USING THEM, NO EXCEPTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Hawkflyer]

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curtm1911 wrote:

Hawkflyer,

I remember well those little grey plastic projectiles with "Greenie Stick-em" caps on them. The Mattel Fanner.50 was the handgun, can't remember the name for the rifle, but I do remember being intstructed in safety with one of the pistols and that those little grey bullets would go quite a distance with some force too, it would knock down those little green army men we all had and send them flying sometimes too....However, ALL FIREARM SAFETY RULES ALWAYS APPLIED WHEN USING THEM, NO EXCEPTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!

It really is amazing. I had the "Fanner 50" and the rifle. They were all called "Shoot-n-shell" guns. The rifle was lever action, and everyone that had one was angry becaue it di not have the large loop lever like Chuck Conner's (Lucas McCain) had in "The Rifleman" TV show.

While the rifle took the same ammo as the revolver, it did not use the stick on caps. It had a movable plate on the left side for loading "Roll caps". I too tipped over a lot of toy soldiers with those. BUT - My parents made it clear from DAY ONE, if I EVER pointed the guns at, or shot at anything living, they would take them away, and I would not be able to sit for a week. That ESPECIALLY included the family dog.

HEY - Look what I found- Now that is a trip down memory lane. Not too PC, but hey.

Old TV ads

 

[curtm1911]

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Hawkflyer,

WOW, thanks for posting that link, I now knowI am an older guy, I can actually say I remember seeing that commercial many a Saturday morning in my younger days..........:celebrate

I can also remember riding our bikes to the dump with our BB and/or pellet guns accross our handlebars, passing cops, who would wave and we would wave back, and guess what, no SWAT teams ever swooped in to take us down or anything like that, my how times have changed.........and not for the better either

 

[Gordie]

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Aw, dang it, now I want one of those too. You guys have to stop showing all of the cool toys that I don't get to have.

 

[Gordie]

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I just checked on e-bay and I could get the gun for as little as $10, the package of bullets would go for almost $80.

The ammo costs 8 times what the gun does. The Obama ammo tax has begun!:shock:

 

[Hawkflyer]

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curtm1911 wrote:

...SNIP

I can also remember riding our bikes to the dump with our BB and/or pellet guns accross our handlebars, passing cops, who would wave and we would wave back, and gusee what, no SWAT teams ever swooped in to take us down or anything like that, my how times have changed.........and not for the better either

I can remember do those things too. In those days there were no SWAT teams. Thinking back I do not remember hearing the term "SWAT team" until the late 1960s. Even then only very large departments and the Federal government had them. Now every Podunk town in the US has to have a SWAT team for some unknown reason. I agree we are worse off for it.

AS to the age thing. If I can believe your signature on the left, you actually live in one of God's waiting rooms, while I only own property in one of them. But I suspect we are not far apart in age. While I never saw the 40's I did live in the Truman administration.:lol:

 

[Hawkflyer]

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Gordie wrote:

I just checked on e-bay and I could get the gun for as little as $10, the package of bullets would go for almost $80.

The ammo costs 8 times what the gun does. The Obama ammo tax has begun!:shock:

Yea and I don't think you could make them yourself. They were brass with a spring inside. The bullets were plastic and had two clips that engaged the inside of the case in such a way that when the case was hit from behind the clips would release and let loose the bullet.

The first thing that went wrong was if you were not careful you could easily break off the little clips. IT was really a very cool toy. But I never got the extra cartridges and I think those would be very rare today in operable condition.

I think I still have the pistol, but the holster is long gone.

 

[Gordie]

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These bullets are still in the original package.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Mattel-Winchester-Fanner-50-Eight-Play-TOY-Bullets_W0QQitemZ310077856698QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Toys?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

It would almost be a shame to open them up and ruin the collector value.

 

[curtm1911]

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Hawkflyer wrote:

curtm1911 wrote:

...SNIP

I can also remember riding our bikes to the dump with our BB and/or pellet guns accross our handlebars, passing cops, who would wave and we would wave back, and gusee what, no SWAT teams ever swooped in to take us down or anything like that, my how times have changed.........and not for the better either

I can remember do those things too. In those days there were no SWAT teams. Thinking back I do not remember hearing the term "SWAT team" until the late 1960s. Even then only very large departments and the Federal government had them. Now every Podunk town in the US has to have a SWAT team for some unknown reason. I agree we are worse off for it.

AS to the age thing. If I can believe your signature on the left, you actually live in one of God's waiting rooms, while I only own property in one of them. But I suspect we are not far apart in age. While I never saw the 40's I did live in the Truman administration.:lol:

AS to the age thing. If I can believe your signature on the left, you actually live in one of God's waiting rooms, while I only own property in one of them. But I suspect we are not far apart in age. While I never saw the 40's I did live in the Truman administration.:lol:



I live in Arizona, Phoenix area, and it is Beautiful here. Born in Indiana, east of Chicago, and have not been back there since'74, not much reason too either IMHO.........

 

[deepdiver]

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Hawkflyer wrote:

HEY - Look what I found- Now that is a trip down memory lane. Not too PC, but hey.

Old TV ads

I have never seen one of those. I think that ranks as one of the coolest toys EVAR!!11!1!!!

 

[shad0wfax]

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I remember shooting my Crossman CO2 pellet gun (6-shot revolver) at my army men and English Sparrows in my back yard where I grew up. Firearms safety always applied. Unfortunately, I thought that finches counted as sparrows. I got a rather painful education with the paddle on the topic ofbird identification before I was allowed to shoot sparrows again.

Hehehe

 

[cccook]

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Say...that Shootin' shell .45 cap pistol is swell. Those were the days.

 

[Alexcabbie]

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I remember when I was about the kid in that commercials age I opened a Christmas package and found a "Mattel Detective Set" with a "Snub nose .38" and a shoulder holster, badge, and handcuffs. The gun fired those exact same "shootin' shells" and I had been wondering for a while if it was just my imagination or was it close to life size. YUP!!! wow.

Can you just imagine the hemmorhage the Consumer safety folks and the Brady Bunch would have if Toys "R" Us carried that today??

 

[Alexcabbie]

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sorree mee dubble clickee

 

[Hawkflyer]

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Yea I also had some sort of a snub nose revolver that fired a bullet under spring pressure. They were loaded from the front if the cylinder and there was a plate that held them in until the cylinder rotated around to the barrel which was open and allow the bullet to fire. It was not very accurate but it was a lot of fun. The problem was that you could put ANYTHING that was the right diameter and length into the cylinder.

So the nice soft safe bullets got lost over time and replaced with broken pencils. Not as safe, but a lot more effective.:lol:

 

[Citizen]

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Hawkflyer wrote:

Old TV ads

WOW!!!!

That is sooooo COOOOOOL!

 

[Hawkflyer]

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Citizen wrote:

Hawkflyer wrote:

Old TV ads

WOW!!!!

That is sooooo COOOOOOL!

Sometimes it pays to be old enough to like doo-wap music, Beechcraft stagerwings, and MGTC's.:lol:

 

[Grapeshot]

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Hawkflyer wrote:

Citizen wrote:

Hawkflyer wrote:

Old TV ads

WOW!!!!

That is sooooo COOOOOOL!

Sometimes it pays to be old enough to like doo-wap music, Beechcraft stagerwings, and MGTC's.:lol:

Ballads, Brema Shave & Tri-five Chevrolets

Yata hey

 

[Hawkflyer]

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Grapeshot wrote:

Hawkflyer wrote:

Citizen wrote:

Hawkflyer wrote:

Old TV ads

WOW!!!!

That is sooooo COOOOOOL!

Sometimes it pays to be old enough to like doo-wap music, Beechcraft stagerwings, and MGTC's.:lol:

Ballads, Brema Shave & Tri-five Chevrolets

Yata hey

Well at least some of the Burma Shave signs were still around in my youth. Painted barns Ads too.

 

[ijusam]

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Carnivore wrote:

ijusam wrote:

I have been consistently surprised by what my kids can do. at 6 my son put together an entertainment center when I didn't get around to it quick enough. the directions were pictures and I had to re-tighten the screws (allen head). the skills requiredto load and fire a single shot 20 gauge isn't that great, but I doubt he would be a good "wing shot":lol:

OK fair enough, the mechanics involved, lenght/guage/single/pump/semiauto,10/12/16/20/410/28 Ga. none of that has been identified yet, but what about the Malice/attitude/frame of mind/ is your 6 yr. old capable of that? I find it really hard to believe that at the point of the foot being stepped onand the wince from the pain the kid felt, that a 4 yr. old (boy or girl) decided someone needed to be killed..

and Don't say the kid had no intentions of actually killing someone over just winging him,

Was it an intentional wounding, or was the kid a bad shot?

because you've pretty much agreed that your 6 yr. old is so mechanically inclinedthat managing toretrieve one of your firearms and acting out in malice towards someone or somethingmight not surprise you..

I just don't think a 4 yr. old is capable of putting this whole tragedy together..

quote from article:

The boy, apparently angered that Beavers stepped on his foot, retrieved a shell from a drawer in a back bedroom, grabbed a 20-gauge single-shot shotgun from a closet and loaded the weapon, Ephlin said.

Your statement:

find it really hard to believe that at the point of the foot being stepped onand the wince from the pain the kid felt, that a 4 yr. old (boy or girl) decided someone needed to be killed..
I never implied a 4 yo understood the implications of shooting someone as opposed to hurting someone to get even.

when I was 5 a 10yo friend of my brother hurt me. I picked up a beebee gun (red ryder) with the intention of hurting him as I was physically unable to do so otherwise. I had no training other than watching my brother, but hit my target where I aimed (his backside). had it been a youth shotgun instead of a bee bee gun the boy could have been killed. After the welts on my backside subsided, we beganthe rest of my gun safety lessons.

anyone who been around children knows how vicious some of them can be. fortunately most can't inflict serious damage on others and are trained not to hit tommy when "he takes your toys". Unfortunately some lack the parenting that will correct these behaviours and we see the result of this in the news every day.

My point was that the mechanics are possible. Though the probability seems that the teens were the most likely suspects, I would be checking the boy for a bruise to his shoulder, fingers cut or bruised from the trigger guard, and GSR