Bat's New Toy! Love my revolvers :)

[Batousaii]

No, I've never owned a brass frame. The one I'm talking about is a .36 1860 Army Police replica (though I have yet to see an example of an original) offered by Cabela's. I know it is my loading habit that probably wore it out as I shoot the things for fun and the BOOM! Meaning I don't use a powder measure, I just fill it visually. With Pyrodex, I know I overloaded it probably more times than not since Pyrodex will compress more that Goex. And I gave it the third degree many other ways I think, using whatever lead I could find to cast balls with, even tried playing with dippping .357 HP into lead to 'fill up' the gap from .357 to .375. This abuse also lead to the alignment pins between the frame and barrel getting broke or damaged. Too bad though, because over the years the color case hardening has gone to a real nice patina look, almost like a black chrome . . . .

But I was intemperate in my youth . . . . I treat all my others better now.

Intemperate... Great word

• Wow sounds like you really did give it the third degree! Pretty impressive that it held up as long as it did, but a real testament to what these little pistols can really do too. I always used a volume measure myself, but the volume was always the same regardless of type of powder. If I remember correctly, it was either a 28 or 30 grain with a .44 ball or cone, and I usually ran Pyrodex with a little Trip-7 now and then.I ran more rounds that I can remember through that little gun, and it was still tight and straight shootin the day it got stolen (sad story there). I figure I’ll run the same through my Remington/Pietta and It should be a happy gun for years. I want to get a couple open tops as well, really love the way they look.

 

[OlGutshotWilly]

Bat,
That is a beautiful pistol. Nice of you to post up the pic! Should give you lots of fun and years of use.

I have been an 1851 enthusiast. Have a couple of genuine Colt second generation 1851's, as well as a couple of High Standard Confederate commemoratives ( Leech and Rigdon ) and ( Griswold and Gunnison ), round barrels. One of those, the Griswold, is brass framed so shoot reduced loads in it, but use Triple 7 in the others with a slightly reduced load for longevity sake.

I am finally buying an Italian replica this month, with a Euroarms 1851. Well used, but looks to be in nice shape.

They all are in the historically correct .36 cal.

Love the look of the open tops……but with all the '51's, I may buy the "Richardson transition model" for cartridges to keep my collection to the '51 style rather than the late 1800's Open Top.

Thanks again for posting your new toy!

Cheers.

 

[1245A Defender]

Well,,,,

Thank you Bat, for renewing my quest to get Cabelas to sell me a Black powder pistol by state and fed law...
Sooo after my 3 years and help from bill starks, triggerDr, all my cites and then,,, your success,,, I am in!!!
Got this delivered to my door... today....

 

[teddyearp]

Now, that thar is a hawgleg!!! Careful with the brass frame, though.

Curious what you meant about your quest to get it from Cabelas with state and federal law, though. Anyone can buy a black powder firearm from cabelas, even over state lines. No FFL, no NCIC.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Now, that thar is a hawgleg!!! Careful with the brass frame, though.

Curious what you meant about your quest to get it from Cabelas with state and federal law, though. Anyone can buy a black powder firearm from cabelas, even over state lines. No FFL, no NCIC.

That confused me also, I don't think Washington state is on the restricted list. Washington DC IS, on the list, maybe this was the confusion.

 

[Trigger Dr]

That confused me also, I don't think Washington state is on the restricted list. Washington DC IS, on the list, maybe this was the confusion.

Until recently, some dealers would not sell a replica pistol without completion of the Wa state pistol transfer form. The law was clarified a couple years ago, but Cabela's still, as a company policy, will not sell over the counter without the state form being used.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Until recently, some dealers would not sell a replica pistol without completion of the Wa state pistol transfer form. The law was clarified a couple years ago, but Cabela's still, as a company policy, will not sell over the counter without the state form being used.

Awww I see said the blind man...

I buy my replicas online, and delivered in the mail. No problem here in NC, but when I have looked I do not remember Washington state ever being on the no ship list. But then for Cabelas almost every state has one, so state taxes must be paid as well as the shipping. I usually try to find other sources then I only pay shipping. The last new replica I bought from a civil war sutler.

 

[OC Freedom]

Being able to buy cap and ball revolvers online and sent directly to your home is why it makes buying a cartridge firearm at a dealer a joke. When you buy an 1858 Remington online you can also purchase the conversion cylinder in 45 colt and bam! a 45 colt revolver no government forms and no background check. BTW if you like your cap and ball 1858 you might like the Uberti 1858 45 colt conversion with loading gate, I love mine.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Being able to buy cap and ball revolvers online and sent directly to your home is why it makes buying a cartridge firearm at a dealer a joke. When you buy an 1858 Remington online you can also purchase the conversion cylinder in 45 colt and bam! a 45 colt revolver no government forms and no background check. BTW if you like your cap and ball 1858 you might like the Uberti 1858 45 colt conversion with loading gate, I love mine.

I prefer buying more cylinders as opposed to the conversion. At 50 dollars a cylinder that is 6 reloads for the 300 dollars for the conversion. And changing cylinders is very fast compared to ejecting cases and then putting cases back in. The only down side is if used for self defense black powder will eat the gun as it sits in evidence.

 

[HPmatt]

Thank you Bat, for renewing my quest to get Cabelas to sell me a Black powder pistol by state and fed law...
Sooo after my 3 years and help from bill starks, triggerDr, all my cites and then,,, your success,,, I am in!!!
Got this delivered to my door... today....

Good thing you have thigh bones longer that 30" with that revolver! Jeez…2 cows died to make that holster….:lol:

 

[OC Freedom]

I prefer buying more cylinders as opposed to the conversion. At 50 dollars a cylinder that is 6 reloads for the 300 dollars for the conversion. And changing cylinders is very fast compared to ejecting cases and then putting cases back in. The only down side is if used for self defense black powder will eat the gun as it sits in evidence.

That is the down side to black powder, but its so much fun. Have you tried Black MZ by Alliant powder, its clean, dependable, and its virtually non-corrosive black powder substitute. Good stuff.

 

[WalkingWolf]

That is the down side to black powder, but its so much fun. Have you tried Black MZ by Alliant powder, its clean, dependable, and its virtually non-corrosive black powder substitute. Good stuff.

I will have to look into the powder, at this time I use Goex black powder.

 

[Batousaii]

Nice!

Good Score Defender!
- That sure is a nice looking piece, and good you have the spare cylinder. I have yet to get my spare (been on a HAM Radio kick recently). That long barrel sure gives it character too
- Word of advice (as mentioned earlier) to be easy on the brass frame. Though the modern brass is a better quality than years past, you still don't want to load it past a basic load. Just be easy on it and it'll last forever. I love black powder revolvers, they are really fun.

Congratz.

 

[1245A Defender]

Well,,,

Now, that thar is a hawgleg!!! Careful with the brass frame, though.

Curious what you meant about your quest to get it from Cabelas with state and federal law, though. Anyone can buy a black powder firearm from cabelas, even over state lines. No FFL, no NCIC.

I bought an 1860 4 yrs ago... I sheepishly complied with Cabalas requirement to use ALL
the forms inc. 4473 and the BC check,,, I felt violated!

For 3 years,,, thanks to an ATF letter posted by Bill Starks, and info posted by TriggerDr,,,
along with all the right RCWs, and ATF guidelines and rules,,,
I have been Hammering Ken Steffens "personnal assistant to THE cabelas brothers",,,
Then Bat reported here,,, that he had bought a BP pistol from Cabelas,,, the Right way...

Sooo I talked to Ken again, and he admitted to ME finally,,, that they would now sell them the right way.

 

[teddyearp]

I bought an 1860 4 yrs ago... I sheepishly complied with Cabalas requirement to use ALL
the forms inc. 4473 and the BC check,,, I felt violated!

For 3 years,,, thanks to an ATF letter posted by Bill Starks, and info posted by TriggerDr,,,
along with all the right RCWs, and ATF guidelines and rules,,,
I have been Hammering Ken Steffens "personnal assistant to THE cabelas brothers",,,
Then Bat reported here,,, that he had bought a BP pistol from Cabelas,,, the Right way...

Sooo I talked to Ken again, and he admitted to ME finally,,, that they would now sell them the right way.

Hmmm, interesting. I have bought several from Cabelas either online on from the old catalog via the phone when living in (wait for it) the CSSR and Arizona. Not a hitch whatsoever. Like buying a candy bar. I purchased a couple more C-n-B revolvers after moving here to WA without a hitch either, albeit not from Cabelas.

 

[1245A Defender]

Well,,,

Until recently, some dealers would not sell a replica pistol without completion of the Wa state pistol transfer form. The law was clarified a couple years ago, but Cabela's still, as a company policy, will not sell over the counter without the state form being used.

Sooo,,, How was the Law CLARIFIED,,, a couple years ago???
I started in on cabelas in aug. 2010,,, and pretty much gave up in march 2011,,,
Then I read about Bats new toy,,, then got back to them...

What was that Clarification?????

 

[Trigger Dr]

the firearms section of DOL sent a memo to all FFL dealers in the state advising that the pistol form was NOT required for original or replic a
black powder pistols and revolvers.

 

[MSG Laigaie]

the firearms section of DOL sent a memo to all FFL dealers in the state advising that the pistol form was NOT required for original or replic a
black powder pistols and revolvers.

Sounds like DOL did not like getting "junk mail" and asked the dealers to stop sending it.