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Awesome LEO interaction in an adverse situation

Neplusultra

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A. Kick the Hussy out:
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B. All is forgiven!
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I see why you seem to like "B" better Peter. From the cloudiness in her eyes she seems to have cataracts and therefore can't see too well :^).
 

MSC 45ACP

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Looks like the OP hasn't been back since mid-day on Friday.

Maybe he retained counsel who likely told him to quit posting his version of the circumstances on an open forum...probably always good advice.

Seems everyone else has already covered one side of it, so here's my $.02 worth that hasn't yet been discussed:

WHY would you "store" an M4 with a magazine inserted (you score 2 points for NOT calling it a "clip, BTW)
AND the bolt "locked" to the rear???
Certainly you are aware that simply BUMPING that rifle against anything will cause the bolt to close, right??? You can even slap the side of the receiver, slap the butt-stock or even slap the bottom of the magazine and the bolt WILL close.

I get the impression you have more than a couple firearms (I'm trying to ween myself from using the "W" word because civilians get upset when you use it around here...)
Do you store all of them in a loaded condition? Bad idea for many reasons. Here's a few:

1. Excess oil can travel down the "innerds" and get on your ammunition, impregnate the primer and turn your firearm(s) into expensive clubs. Ammunition goes "click", not "boom" when oil seeps into the primer pocket. It sometimes goes "Click (pause) "BOOM" if it enters through the neck of the casing and into the powder at the top of the round. Either way, its not a good idea.
2. If you keep loaded magazines around, you should "rotate" them with unloaded mags periodically (how often depends on magazine quality and design). Magazine springs are cheap when you consider the cost vs. life angle. At any rate, buy new springs for all your mags once a year. I've seen M-16 magazines (in particular) have an amusing tendancy if not rotated. Its more fun when you keep then FULLY loaded. Remove the top 1 or 2 rounds and you can turn the mag over and literally "pour" the rest out like a cup of tea... Pretty funny if you don't rely on that mag to save your life.
3. In the event someone else gets hold of one of your guns... well... You already know the results of that silliness.

You may want to re-think the way you store all your firearms. Unless you are carrying it all the time, its best to store them in a "relaxed" condition. All springs relaxed. Bolts closed, firing pin dropped. They will function more reliably and longer if you do this. Its a good idea to have some "Snap-Caps" around for this, especially for .22 cal firearms. Some older .22's will peen a nice little notch in the side of the chamber if you dry-fire them too much. I haven't seen a .22 cal Snap Cap, so just keep a few expended pieces of brass (and rotate them for the firing pin to strike a new place every time you "reload" them). Snap Caps are also good for dry-fire practice. Most quailty firearms won't be damaged by repeated dry-firing, but dry firing some shotguns without anything in the chamber can break or crack your firing pin. Firing pins are somewhat inexpensive, and definitely cheaper than your life... See a recurring theme here?

Are you and the former friend military? If so, Uncle Sam may also get involved in the legal process when they find out (and they WILL find out).

I have a boat-load of things I'd like to say and/or discuss about this ND, but this isn't the time or place. We who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.
 

Grapeshot

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Words of wisdom Mike, but unless the OP is genuine they will likely fall on deaf ears - I'm still not completely sold on the circumstances, but will wait and see.

Oh and my version of your last sentence is "People who live in glass houses shouldn't!" :lol:
 

rob99vmi04

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As far as weapons condition it was mag inserted bolt to the rear. It is my "duty" rifle and set that way for easy load and point. Slap the bolt release, push safety to fire. I know the safety advocates will say this is not the ideal or safe condition and I agree. It's not "safe" that way. It's nearly deadly which IMO is the purpose of a rifle.
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Is the OP a Police Officer? The way this sounds this is a departmental issue. If hes in the Military, is big green now alowing soldiers to take home their Rifles?
 

peter nap

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As far as weapons condition it was mag inserted bolt to the rear. It is my "duty" rifle and set that way for easy load and point. Slap the bolt release, push safety to fire. I know the safety advocates will say this is not the ideal or safe condition and I agree. It's not "safe" that way. It's nearly deadly which IMO is the purpose of a rifle.
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Is the OP a Police Officer? The way this sounds this is a departmental issue. If hes in the Military, is big green now alowing soldiers to take home their Rifles?

Had the same question??????????????????????
 

MSC 45ACP

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As far as weapons condition it was mag inserted bolt to the rear. It is my "duty" rifle and set that way for easy load and point. Slap the bolt release, push safety to fire. I know the safety advocates will say this is not the ideal or safe condition and I agree. It's not "safe" that way. It's nearly deadly which IMO is the purpose of a rifle.
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Is the OP a Police Officer? The way this sounds this is a departmental issue. If hes in the Military, is big green now alowing soldiers to take home their Rifles?



That's what led me to believe he was military, but I know of NO military service that allows someone to bring a gov't owned weapon home, except the L/E guys like CID, NCIS, CGIS, etc... The OP doesn't seem "mature" enough to be a member of one of those organizations.

He said "Duty Rifle"... He's using that for home protection or "On Duty" as he implies?

I also know of NO AGENCY that would teach their people to keep an M-16 series rifle in that condition. This statement alone REALLY makes me suspect the OP may have a propensity for prevarication {Translation for Grape: He is potentially more FOS than a Christmas Turkey).

My nose is starting to itch. Something smells kinda 'funny'.
 

NovaCop

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I'm calling this story bs on a few grounds-
1. The officer wouldn't be allowed to issue a warrant in this case for what the OP said he did. The charge was a misdemeanor and I highly doubt the officer was in his apt for the crime to be "in his presence". Therefore he would've had to consult a magistrate for a warrant. A custodial arrest could only have been made for the shooting in to an occupied dwelling but even that would be wrong in this incident because there was no intent.
2. As others indicated, the wrong code was charged. The only charge fitting would be the reckless handling. A call for shots fired will usually result in multiple officers and supervisors responding, I would think all those heads together would be able to figure out the proper code even if they illegally issued a summons. Also, if a wrong code is charged by the police a commonwealth attorney can just amend the charge during the legal proceedings to reflect the right code.
3. The OP hasn't been back to clarify.

I've responded many times to accidental discharges. In every instance, the officer gathers all evidence and conduits directly with the commonwealth attorney. Usually they don't prosecute although some circumstances they have. Only once or twice I've seen officers obtain a warrant from a magistrate.

To cite 19.2-72 to 82 covers most of it (although there are some exceptions to misdemeanor summons but would take too long to gather up).
 
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enigmamdw

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Damn sure does!

The funny smell is your upper lip.
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I wish this was "BS". It would be much better that way.

I'm military. I use the word "duty" lightly... it's just a word in my vocabulary easily interchanged with ready, prepared, accessible... you guys are intense.
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I pretty sure the summons my buddy has in his wallet is real... The sergeant (three chevrons) and four other policemen wandering my house were very real Mr. NovaCop10.

Sorry if this all seems a bit curt. But I'm tired and my interwebs hater alert went off.
 
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Grapeshot

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I pretty sure the summons my buddy has in his wallet is real... The sergeant (three chevrons) and four other policemen wandering my house were very real Mr. NovaCop10.

Sorry if this all seems a bit curt. But I'm tired and my interwebs hater alert went off.

Consider that we have been subjected to numerous drive bys and other false or misleading reports. Not all are intentional as some just don't have the story straight. In some of those exchanges of dialog the OP would become upset that we should even question the veracity of their word. Over the years we have learned to trust people we know, but even then look for confirmation.

Don't take it personally when posters seek supporting data or critique the actions et al of the incident. That is what we do here in order that everyone be better equipped to respond when something similar befalls ourselves. In so doing, all should take care to not be direct insulting to others.
 

wylde007

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I'm military. I use the word "duty" lightly... it's just a word in my vocabulary easily interchanged with ready, prepared, accessible... you guys are intense.
They aren't interchangeable any more than "will" and "shall" are interchangeable or "CHP" and "CCW" are interchangeable.

Words have meanings and on this site a great many of us have endeavored for a long time (some MUCH LONGER than others) to ascertain the proper use of proper words in the proper context to express the proper intent.

"Duty" weapon to nearly anyone is a weapon either "assigned" or "issued" by a hierarchical process. A duty weapon is one which is purposed only and specifically for OFFICIAL use and not recreation nor self-defense. That you would publicly announce that you keep your "duty weapon" mag-loaded and bolt open is an invitation for both criticism and skepticism.

Further, as has already been addressed, EVERYTHING YOU SAY can and will be used against you in a court of law.
 

Jon34511

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Just going to throw this out there. From what I'm gathering, the police released your buddy on a summons for a class 1 misdemeanor, which I'm assuming did not occur in their presence. Virginia code 19.2-81 clearly states the times when an officer can make a warrantless arrestr on a misdemeanor that does not occur in said officer's presence. This charge does not fall into one of those categories. A summons is JUST AS SERIOUS as being taken into custody and brought before a magistrate. The code also states the police MUST release you on a summons for a misdemeanor unless certain circumstances apply.

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+19.2-81

The officers should have released your friend without any charges and sought a warrant from a magistrate.

edit: I see novacop already touched on this, but I figured its best to have the code section for all to read and enjoy.
 
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Sangre

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Just going to throw this out there. From what I'm gathering, the police released your buddy on a summons for a class 1 misdemeanor, which I'm assuming did not occur in their presence. Virginia code 19.2-81 clearly states the times when an officer can make a warrantless arrestr on a misdemeanor that does not occur in said officer's presence. This charge does not fall into one of those categories. A summons is JUST AS SERIOUS as being taken into custody and brought before a magistrate. The code also states the police MUST release you on a summons for a misdemeanor unless certain circumstances apply.

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+19.2-81

The officers should have released your friend without any charges and sought a warrant from a magistrate.

edit: I see novacop already touched on this, but I figured its best to have the code section for all to read and enjoy.

Thanks for that cite, very interesting to read for me I wasn't aware of that.
 

MSC 45ACP

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I'm still awaiting a rational explaination why someone that supposedly keeps an M4 for a "Duty Gun" would leave the bolt locked to the rear when this is contrary to EVERY military and LE practice. This weapon is USUALLY carried with the mag inserted, bolt closed, NO round in the chamber... You chamber a round and have the safety engaged when you're "going to work" and actively carrying the rifle in the field.

Bullchips Flag remains two-blocked...
 
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