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7th Circuit Court of Appeals holds that the Second Amendment applies outside the home

Freedom1Man

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That's right! I have completely given up on trying to understand how legislators and justices can interpret "shall not be infringed" into "can be infringed however we see fit." We need a solid ruling from the SCOTUS that makes it mandatory for states to recognize the Second Amendment inside and outside the home. Hopefully we still have time to get it!
{Voice="annoying libtard"} So you think that everyone should be able to own tanks, planes, bombs, ships, rocket launchers, missiles, machine guns, etc? Shall not be infringed is just there because the founding fathers could never see into the future. Of course there are reasonable limits on the right to keep and bear arms otherwise people would be blowing each other up with grenades and tanks it would be messy and violent.{/voice}

It's because they went to a public school and never learned English.
 

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{Voice="annoying libtard"} So you think that everyone should be able to own tanks, planes, bombs, ships, rocket launchers, missiles, machine guns, etc? Shall not be infringed is just there because the founding fathers could never see into the future. Of course there are reasonable limits on the right to keep and bear arms otherwise people would be blowing each other up with grenades and tanks it would be messy and violent.{/voice}

It's because they went to a public school and never learned English.
No shall not be infringed is there so we wouldn't find ourselves trying to defend ourselves against modern arms with MUSKETS ! ! ! ! The Founding Fathers left it open ON PURPOSE !!! I am Amazed at the unimaginable insight and forethought those Great men had. There are NO reasonable restrictions any one can put on a RIGHT HANDED DOWN FROM THE MAKER HIMSELF ???? WHO really thinks they have the moral authority to decide WHO get's GOD'S blessing and who doesn't????
 

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I am not going to go into it again; I already have on a few occasions, but I have already shown that the arms being protected in the 2A are the typical arms that one would use for personal defense or or other civilian uses, but could be used in a pinch as a personal military weapon. In today's world, that would include handguns, rifles, shotguns, knives, and the like. It would not include crew-served weapons, nukes, and the like.

I have deliberately not brought automatic firearms into the analysis.


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No shall not be infringed is there so we wouldn't find ourselves trying to defend ourselves against modern arms with MUSKETS ! ! ! ! The Founding Fathers left it open ON PURPOSE !!! I am Amazed at the unimaginable insight and forethought those Great men had. There are NO reasonable restrictions any one can put on a RIGHT HANDED DOWN FROM THE MAKER HIMSELF ???? WHO really thinks they have the moral authority to decide WHO get's GOD'S blessing and who doesn't????
I do, I'm better than God. I didn't create Satan, nor have I allowed my greatest enemy to torture my greatest ally just to win a bet.

Don't use God, please. Not everyone believes in God and those that don't can easily dismiss any pro-rights argument that uses God just as I have demonstrated above.
 

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I don't mind folks not believing in God or preferring secular arguments.

I do find it despicable when one feels the need to mock my God or tell lies that are based on minimal knowledge of the Bible.


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Re: 7th Circuit Court of Appeals holds that the Second Amendment applied outside

Is Satan not God's greatest enemy? Was Job not God's most loyal servant? Did Satan not ask God's permission to torture Job? Did God not permit Satan to do so with the intent of proving Job's faithfulness?

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If you look at that one narrow story, and ignore the thousands of pages of context, you might misconstrue that story in the narrow, uninformed, and scripturally immature way that you have. However, you completely ignore how the evil that was visited upon Job made its way into this world. God did not do that. Man did.

But militant atheists do that all the time. They pick little pieces of the Bible out of a huge context and try to make that seem to be the message of Christianity, just so they can mock it. As I said, that is despicable.

I am convinced that militant atheists actually believe in God. They just oppose Him and think that denying Him somehow diminishes Him. It doesn't. He permits you to deny His existence, no matter how good or how bad things go in your life. And, if you deny His existence, for you, He will not exist. It is absolutely your choice.

Pharaoh hardened his heart time and again. Finally, God hardened Pharaoh's heart. Each time Pharaoh hardened his heart, he could have repented and accepted God's will. Once God gave into Pharaoh, he hardened Pharaoh's heart, once and for all ensuring that for all of Pharaoh's existence, God would not exist. What a pity.

Pharaoh knew God was real. He denied His existence because God being real would mean that Pharaoh could not be supreme, not because he did not accept the reality of God. He most assuredly did. Pharaoh was probably history's first notable militant atheist. What a pity.

Job, no matter how badly things went in his life would not abandon God. He questioned God. He lamented his misfortunes. But he remained faithful to God throughout. What joy he ultimately experienced. I'd rather be Job than Pharaoh.

Wendy just shared this quote from one of her favorite movies with me as I read to her this post: "God's promise is not that nothing bad will ever happen to us. It is that He will be there for us when it does." That sentence sums up the story of Job quite nicely. As a matter of fact, it comes from a movie in which a man suffers Jobish calamity after Jobish calamity and is explaining why his faith remained strong--and even got stronger--throughout.

If one does not know the peace that can bring in times of horrible turmoil, I am sorry for that down to my bones. But only that one can make the choice to find that eternal peace that passes all understanding.


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lets get back to the 7th court ruling. we are going to need it with the upcoming efforts to ban guns. this ruling just strengthens our right.
 

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So talk about it rather than talking about talking about it. If the poster continues his attack upon my faith, I will continue to explain it to him.


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Re: 7th Circuit Court of Appeals holds that the Second Amendment applies outside

I know a lot more about the Bible than you give me credit. So if you'd like to continue this discussion, I invite you to create a topic and I'll happily respond. I am not attacking christianity, but if that's how you wish to see it, then I will try to change your mind.

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No, every time you ignorantly (or, worse, with malice) pick and choose a small portion of the Bible to mock God's message, I will simply chime in with the context.

I don't assume your lack of knowledge of the Bible. In this thread, you have demonstrated it.

Moving on until you open your yap in a disrespectful, uninformed, and malignant way about the Bible again.


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No, every time you ignorantly (or, worse, with malice) pick and choose a small portion of the Bible to mock God's message, I will simply chime in with the context.

I don't assume your lack of knowledge of the Bible. In this thread, you have demonstrated it.

Moving on until you open your yap in a disrespectful, uninformed, and malignant way about the Bible again.


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And you grouch when I go off topic.

I will takes Jack's side this time.

Now on to our rights!

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Of course the 2A extends outside our homes, why did it take the judges this long to figure that out?
 

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Hey, genius, Jack went off-topic. I merely replied to his off-topic misrepresentations. Duh.


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The way it should be

In an opinion issued today in the Illinois case of Moore v. Madigan, the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals held that the Second Amendment “right to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self-defense … implies a right to carry a loaded gun outside the home.”

The opinion is a joy to read as Judge Posner proceeds to shred the historical and public policy arguments against carry put forward by Illinois.

Here are some examples to warm your heart on this cold December afternoon:

Excerpt ... Read more at http://monachuslex.com/?p=2254

This makes perfect sense:




Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, as well as Vermont 's own Constitution very carefully, and his strict interpretation of these documents is popping some eyeballs in New England and elsewhere.

Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and require them to pay a $500 fee to the state. Thus Vermont would become the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun. Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not only the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as 'a clear mandate to do so'. He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by the Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" by the government as well as criminals. Vermont ’s constitution states explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State" and those persons who are "conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent.."
Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any situation that may arise."

Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver's license number with the state. "There is a legitimate government interest in knowing who is not prepared to defend the state should they be asked to do so," Maslack says.

Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with the least restrictive laws of any state .... it's currently the only state that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. This combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has resulted in a crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation.

" America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards."

This makes sense! There is no reason why gun owners should have to pay taxes to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns. Let them contribute their fair share and pay their own way. Sounds reasonable to me! Non-gun owners require more police to protect them and this fee should go to paying for their defense!

I LIKE IT!!!



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Keep religion where it should be. Your home and church. I don't want to read about it.
Then I suggest you stop reading--because, when it comes up, I (and many others) will write about it.

You can want not to read it all you wish, however no one has any responsibility to shut up in order to please you.
 

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Then I suggest you stop reading--because, when it comes up, I (and many others) will write about it.

You can want not to read it all you wish, however no one has any responsibility to shut up in order to please you.
By the way I am doing this just to piss you off. Your religion can go to hell. Read that!!!!
 

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Won't bother me. Might bother the mods and admins, but won't bother me. You see, I'll just consign you to the ash heap of ignore. I just don't think you'll ever have anything to say of interest to me.

Feel free to choose God not existing. That is a choice that He will allow you to make. He'd rather you didn't, but He endowed you with that ability to choose. Personally, I couldn't imagine the Hell of living without God. I revel in the possibility of living without your posts. Bye.
 
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