King county cop charged with prostituting wife and selling/obtaining guns illegally?

NavyLCDR said:

I predict he will be placed on paid administrative leave until he hits 20 years and retires with full pension and benefits (with the union standing behind him) and then the whole affair will just fade into history and Holiwell will probably become a self-defense instructor or move to a different state and become a CCW instructor.

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EMNofSeattle said:

19 years in any non military employer makes you vested in benefits you've paid into . police officers pay part of their salary into LEOFF for that benefit, convicted or not, its his money and rightfully his.

that being said, it wont be much benefit to him in prison, especially the sex related charges, those will get him at least double didget sentence....

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Dave_pro2a said:

Yeah, maybe but that is not an absolute principle.

Some retirement programs have a morals clause. Penn State does... now.

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EMNofSeattle said:

I dont know what the exact LEOFF benefits clasuses are. however my understanding is that it's based on employee contributions which the state invests. so I really don't care what the deputy done, 19 years of payments in my eyes means he should get what's his...

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Dave_pro2a said:

Yes you don't actually KNOW what you're talking about, nice of you to admit it.

Riddle me this, why don't the gang in blue pay into Social Security like everyone else?

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EMNofSeattle said:

I don't know if they have a morality clause, and I am opposed to having one. It is a defined contribution plan, that I do know.

because it's unnessecary, they provide a larger amount of income to state benefits, and the years working in an SS exempt job do not count for receipt of benefits.

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Dave_pro2a said:

Yeah, so why are they 'exempt' from SS?

They work for the .gov, but then op out of the .gov retirement system?

Things that make you go Hmmmm.

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EMNofSeattle said:

No, I don't lose a minute of sleep over it, you want to look for evil conspiracies where none exist. And you are not well educated on SS either. SS is not a government retirement system, it's an income transfer system to elderly people. Railroad workers were also exempt from SS until the 80s when automation cut the number of employees to so few that they couldn't sustain the RR retirement system....

State and local employees are exempted, not federal employees, fed employees must pay FICA and are enrolled in SS, state and local governments are not the federal government which administers SS. SO the government exempting itself argument you made is false on its face

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EMNofSeattle said:

SS is not a government retirement system, it's an income transfer system to elderly people.

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EMNofSeattle said:

19 years in any non military employer makes you vested in benefits you've paid into . police officers pay part of their salary into LEOFF for that benefit, convicted or not, its his money and rightfully his.

that being said, it wont be much benefit to him in prison, especially the sex related charges, those will get him at least double didget sentence....

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Nightmare said:

LOL Got any investments son? Taxed on a W-2 or a 1099?

I am a federal retiree that paid nothing into SS, as I preferred CSRA, knowing that it was/is a good investment, having paid back many times my premium ($35K pays $20K/year). FedGov has taken many bites from my retirement investments. From CSRA I was required to buy into SS to pay for Medicare to avoid YOUR ObamaScare. Thank goodness for my private investments, but their value is being diminshed by inflation of the dollar to make sure there are enough to pay YOUR McJobs wages.

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mikeyb said:

Do you know what's awesome? Everyone's panties in a bunch about a cop who's getting paid administrative leave, possibility of reaching 20 YOS and benes, etc.

And all the while you people (yes, you people) are jumping all over this, pointing fingers at the corruptness, etc, you've become the mockery of what you've professed time and time again.

Innocence.

If you don't see the irony in this thread, it's simply amazing when the shoe is on the other foot. Don't bother wasting everyone's time in trying to defend your words. The excuse of "public official," "rotten industry," and "blue line" will only cement the irony.

As hard as it is to do, I think a lot of you should actually stop and think. When you finally arrive at the "oh..." moment, then post.

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OC for ME said:

Oh...read the thread again. There are two discussions, one about a cop who will get his day in court. And one about a sheriff who continues to retain a unit that is severely tainted by the acts of one, as far as we know.

Your lack of focus is commendable.

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mikeyb said:

Do you know what's awesome? Everyone's panties in a bunch about a cop who's getting paid administrative leave, possibility of reaching 20 YOS and benes, etc.

And all the while you people (yes, you people) are jumping all over this, pointing fingers at the corruptness, etc, you've become the mockery of what you've professed time and time again.

Innocence.

If you don't see the irony in this thread, it's simply amazing when the shoe is on the other foot. Don't bother wasting everyone's time in trying to defend your words. The excuse of "public official," "rotten industry," and "blue line" will only cement the irony.

As hard as it is to do, I think a lot of you should actually stop and think. When you finally arrive at the "oh..." moment, then post.

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EMNofSeattle said:

The largest Sheriff's Office in the most urban and populated county in the State of Washington would be stupid to disband the entire SWAT team over one officer being charged. I have faith in Sheriff Urqhart, he's been firing bad people since taking office a year ago, if anyone else on SWAT is crooked, their day in court is coming too....

King County is the primary LE agency for several king county cities, is the primary agency for transit policing, major incidents in the county, etc, King County is home to a third of the state population. along with two of the 4 largest cities in the state. if any one agency needs a SWAT team in this state, that would be it....

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sudden valley gunner said:

I would also say there is no "right" to make the next generation pay for your retirement.

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NavyLCDR said:

Here's an "oh...." moment for you.

When a civilian employee of a company is accused of criminal behavior - especially in regards to criminal behavior that involves that company - what happens? Pretty much one of two things. Most likely the company fires the employee and washes their hands of them - or that employee, if retained, still continues to actually work for their continued salary.

When a member of any branch of the US Military is accused of criminal behavior, what happens? They still are required to come to work and earn their paycheck, and if the CO determines that the situation is serious enough they may even be placed on pretrial confinement and they are either in the brig or are required to live in the barracks under supervision during the time that they are not at work.

When a cop gets accused of criminal behavior what happens? They get to sit at home on paid administrative leave, drawing their paychecks that the taxpayers provide and plan their defense strategy with their team of union provided lawyers.

See the "oh...." moment there? If they are so innocent until proven guilty as you claim they should be then make them continue to work to earn their taxpayer provided paychecks.

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