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I'm looking for holster recomendations.

WalkingWolf

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http://www.itstactical.com/warcom/f...her-holsters-can-cause-accidental-discharges/

it wasnt the exact holster i was thinking of. they will wear out if you actually wear them enough and train with it. not only that moisture can get to them (depending where you live) you may sweat as well or get cought in the rain. leather adds weight to the belt though if you a wearing a proper belt that shouldnt be a issue im just throwing that out there. plastics can be thin,weigh less, and be stronger and doesnt need a break-in like leather. check these guys out http://www.leadfarmerinc.com/ they make some good stuff and they are good people. go to a gun store and try some. we let people try out holsters before they buy them cause we dont do returns on holsters. for my opinion and for me i dont like 100% leather holsters.

You can do and use whatever you like, but please don't spread misinformation. Leather that is properly taken care of lasts for long periods of time, there are people that have leather over a century old that is functional. I have heard from many that plastic degrades over time, and will eventually give from stress, one member here confirms that.
 

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You can do and use whatever you like, but please don't spread misinformation. Leather that is properly taken care of lasts for long periods of time, there are people that have leather over a century old that is functional. I have heard from many that plastic degrades over time, and will eventually give from stress, one member here confirms that.

everything degrades after thousands of years. ive heard that too and its a rumor that started with poylmer pistols which is misinformation. you even stated that you dont wear your holster if its rainning. you dont have to care for a plastic holster. lether will last a long period of time IF you take care of like you said but my plastic holster will last my life time and i dont have to take care of it. i dont have to ub something on it in order for it to last and i can wear mine in the rain :)
 

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everything degrades after thousands of years. ive heard that too and its a rumor that started with poylmer pistols which is misinformation. you even stated that you dont wear your holster if its rainning. you dont have to care for a plastic holster. lether will last a long period of time IF you take care of like you said but my plastic holster will last my life time and i dont have to take care of it. i dont have to ub something on it in order for it to last and i can wear mine in the rain :)

Good for you, it is also good that other people are not you.
 

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My Serpa, a "revised" model, broke when the paddle snapped off.

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Anything can break. I have fallen twice onto one of my Serpa holsters, once with my XD40 in it and once when it was empty, it is undamaged.

Regarding a leather holster collapsing, some IWB holsters are made of soft leather and they require to hands to re holster a gun.
 

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I have a Remora IWB I use with my G27. Mist comfortable holster to date for me. I have the Serpa for OC and find it very comfortable.
 

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Anything can break. I have fallen twice onto one of my Serpa holsters, once with my XD40 in it and once when it was empty, it is undamaged.

Impact isn't the problem. It's fatigue; repeated flexure will eventually cause failure. The point where the paddle attaches to the holster is particularly susceptible.

Falling on it doesn't really stress any of the weak points.
 

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Impact isn't the problem. It's fatigue; repeated flexure will eventually cause failure. The point where the paddle attaches to the holster is particularly susceptible.

Falling on it doesn't really stress any of the weak points.

you are talking about the paddle not the holster itself. the paddle is a accessory. i dont use the paddle i use the belt loops. leather will wear due to use. people who say they have leather holsters that have lasted decades either dont always carry,hardly train, or both. like walkingwolf said he doesnt wear his in the rain. so you have a separate holster for the rain? so on top of what you are spending for a leather holster you have to buy another one? not everyone has a bunch of coin to drop on holsters. and i dont buy holster cause they "look pretty" i dont know why people treat carrying as a victoria fashion show. a holster is just another tool thats going to be used. i dont have time to break-in a leather holster that probably wont last me very long cause i practice drawing my pistol so much.
 

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you are talking about the paddle not the holster itself. the paddle is a accessory. i dont use the paddle i use the belt loops. leather will wear due to use. people who say they have leather holsters that have lasted decades either dont always carry,hardly train, or both. like walkingwolf said he doesnt wear his in the rain. so you have a separate holster for the rain? so on top of what you are spending for a leather holster you have to buy another one? not everyone has a bunch of coin to drop on holsters. and i dont buy holster cause they "look pretty" i dont know why people treat carrying as a victoria fashion show. a holster is just another tool thats going to be used. i dont have time to break-in a leather holster that probably wont last me very long cause i practice drawing my pistol so much.

I don't currently wear leather in the rain, because I have other holsters. I wore duty holsters for years in all weather, when the only option was leather. Don't read poopoo into what I post, and I won't read it into what you post. I plan on passing down my leather with my guns, IMO passing down a cheap plastic holster would be a insult to my heirs. Let's face it, you probably use plastic because it is cheap. It's OK to be cheap if you want.
 

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I don't currently wear leather in the rain, because I have other holsters. I wore duty holsters for years in all weather, when the only option was leather. Don't read poopoo into what I post, and I won't read it into what you post. I plan on passing down my leather with my guns, IMO passing down a cheap plastic holster would be a insult to my heirs. Let's face it, you probably use plastic because it is cheap. It's OK to be cheap if you want.

so you are calling are troops cheap? cause they use all sorts of blackhawk products. what about police cause plenty of them use blackhawk or safari land holsters. you might have had your holster for 40 years but your holster wouldnt last 5 years with me i constantly practice drawing my holster daily. you have your ego so wrapped up in your holster cause you have spent so much money on it. my 50$ black hawk cqc holster will out last your leather holster times 2.
 

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I don't have a prefrence, leather, nylon, plastic, just so long as it works for me and don't cost as much as the gun. As it stands, the closest thing I have found to what I'm looking for (cross draw) is in fact leather. I'm none too fond of the price, so I keep that one on the back burner for now. If price wasn't a consideration, I would go for leather for looks alone. For some reason, those paticualar revolvers don't look as good sitting in plastic or nylon.

One of them (model 36) came with a leather holster, molded to see the imprint of the gun. The revolver sets in it way too tightly and I don't like the angle or the way it loops the belt. Poor choice for cross draw. Lets just say there are good and bad made holsters from any materal.

BTW- I think Nascar drivers use a nylon harness and some kind of poly made helment. Not sure about the firesuit they wear, but I doubt it's leather. Gets hot in those cars.
Nylon melts, they use a fire retardant suit, probably woven out of kelvar. Hopefully a firefighter on here will step up to confirm the material. The helmets are made of kelvar and carbon fiber. From what I understand firefighter equipment is made of Kelvar, and Nomex, probably the same material in racers fire suits.
 

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so you are calling are troops cheap? cause they use all sorts of blackhawk products. what about police cause plenty of them use blackhawk or safari land holsters. you might have had your holster for 40 years but your holster wouldnt last 5 years with me i constantly practice drawing my holster daily. you have your ego so wrapped up in your holster cause you have spent so much money on it. my 50$ black hawk cqc holster will out last your leather holster times 2.

Lowest bidder, leather holsters are still around from the the world wars and are still functional, how many cheap plastic holsters have been around that long?
 

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you are talking about the paddle not the holster itself. the paddle is a accessory. i dont use the paddle i use the belt loops. leather will wear due to use. people who say they have leather holsters that have lasted decades either dont always carry,hardly train, or both. like walkingwolf said he doesnt wear his in the rain. so you have a separate holster for the rain? so on top of what you are spending for a leather holster you have to buy another one? not everyone has a bunch of coin to drop on holsters. and i dont buy holster cause they "look pretty" i dont know why people treat carrying as a victoria fashion show. a holster is just another tool thats going to be used. i dont have time to break-in a leather holster that probably wont last me very long cause i practice drawing my pistol so much.

OK, I agree the belt loop is much sturdier.

However, calling the paddle an "accessory" is absurd. I suspect a majority of Serpa users use the paddle; it's more comfortable and convenient.

But, either way, the paddle is no more an "accessory" than are the belt loops. They are the means by which the holster attaches itself to you, which is, you know, one of two things the holster actually has to do. And, either way, if they break then the gun is no longer attached to you.

I never said it had to last "decades". I said that plastic will catastrophically fail. Leather will wear slowly, and you'll probably want to replace it before it's in danger of failing anyway. In both cases you have to buy a new holster. My estimate is that the mean time to replacement is about the same. The difference is that catastrophic failure of your "accessory" can get you killed, whereas slowly wearing out just means it looks ratty until you decide you've had enough.

I wear my holster in the rain. It's just a Desantis thumb break. No big deal.

http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum11663.php

I used to be a big Serpa fanboy, but the truth is that thumb break isn't really any poorer retention than a super obvious button, especially if your plastic holster snaps off completely (which they will do). Also a leather belt holster tends to hold in tighter against your body, which is better for retention and more practical for EDC.

The other big thing is comfort. I never found a Serpa uncomfortable until I had been wearing it every day for years. It finally began to irritate me how inflexible and unyielding it is.

And finally, I haven't had a single fool make a stink about cocked & locked since I started carrying in the thumb break. I guess the hammer doesn't draw attention to itself when it isn't so exposed. Anyway, I've come to feel that the less "tacticool" a carrier is, the more likely he is to create positive rather than negative reactions. Serpas are tacticool, to be frank.

I've come to feel that a 1911 in a leather belt holster is far and away the most practical EDC piece for the average citizen. To each their own and all that, though.

Oh, and btw, I guarantee you don't practice drawing more than I do. lol. You're not going to wear out a leather holster by drawing from it. And breaking in a leather holster is a matter of wearing in. Two three days of all-day carry and boom, broken in.

Frankly, for all your talk about how much you draw, it's pretty clear to me you don't have much experience to speak to. Your notions about leather holsters are really rather farcical. You act like you'll spend a month breaking it in, only to have to replace it days later, because we just have no idea how much you practice. :lol:
 
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so you are calling are troops cheap? cause they use all sorts of blackhawk products. what about police cause plenty of them use blackhawk or safari land holsters. you might have had your holster for 40 years but your holster wouldnt last 5 years with me i constantly practice drawing my holster daily. you have your ego so wrapped up in your holster cause you have spent so much money on it. my 50$ black hawk cqc holster will out last your leather holster times 2.

Lowest bidder, leather holsters are still around from the the world wars and are still functional, how many cheap plastic holsters have been around that long? $50=cheap, quality leather costs hundreds of dollars that is why government buys cheap stuff. My great great grandchildren will still be using my quality leather long after the cheap plastic holsters have snapped into, or crumpled into pieces. Just like it does on the dashes of cars, and the vinyl tops of cars that have not been cared for. Or cheap plastic clothing in place of quality leather coats.

There is no shame in using cheap stuff if you can't afford the good stuff, just don't make stuff up to excuse it.
 

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Lowest bidder, leather holsters are still around from the the world wars and are still functional, how many cheap plastic holsters have been around that long?

ha! the drop legs can cost 140$ and if the military used them then why dont they use them now? start trainning with your leather holster. it wont last forever and neither will the finish on your gun. im sorry you cant accept the fact that 99% of people who are putting their life on the line is using a plastic holster of some sort. this isnt the 1920s anymore things get better.
 
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