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AP - California handgun ban will result in long gun carry in public places

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ional-rights/2011/10/10/gIQAEHEAbL_story.html

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SACRAMENTO, Calif. — A new ban signed into law by Gov. Jerry Brown prohibiting the open carry of handguns in public could lead to an unintended proliferation of rifles and other long guns in public if gun enthusiasts continue to fight for their Second Amendment rights.

Brown signed AB144 by state Assemblyman Anthony Portantino, D-Pasadena Monday morning. The bill will make it a misdemeanor to carry an exposed and unloaded handgun in public or in vehicles. Violators could face up to a year in prison or a potential fine of $1,000 when the law takes effect Jan 1.

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The ban may push gun activists into openly carrying rifles in protest of the handgun ban, National Rifle Association civil rights attorney C.D. Michel said.

“You’re not going to stop people from having these demonstrations,” he said.

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Absolutely as it will become our only defense

OMG just think of the terror on the unarmed citizens of California when we all roll out with our only defensive weapons of shotguns and rifles ....they thought handguns were a curse ......they haven't seen anything yet Saldana, Portantino and the Brady campaigners will be screaming in the streets ....as we sling our weapons over our shoulders during our weekly shopping sprees .....far more scary looking than a handgun in a holster.
 
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OMG just think of the terror on the unarmed citizens of California when we all roll out with our only defensive weapons of shotguns and rifles ....they thought handguns were a curse ......they haven't seen anything yet Saldana, Portantino and the Brady campaigners will be screaming in the streets ....as we sling our weapons over our shoulders during our weekly shopping sprees .....far more scary looking than a handgun in a holster.




I know:cuss: I think they are going to even more scared when they someone with a shot gun on their back or a hunting rifle. ;)

This is so sad to think that removing hand guns from law abiding citizen's is going to make thing's (safer).
 

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Urban flight

We here in NV applaud this bold move by Gov Moonbeam. We figure it a real advantage to those of us here in the Silver State. First we expect migration of patriots from there to here, a good thing, and the movement of our thugs from here to CA where the pickins’ is easier, an even better thing. Maybe the ultra liberal, wet your pants CA expatriates that came here in the boom years will move back to the state with a bear on its flag and we can get rid of that bad influence as well. We are just hoping that this happens before they catch on that Nevada with all its firearms is a far safer place to live and those that support such nonsense will want to move here too and bring it here with them as always seem to happen.

TBG
 

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No, it wont...and it shouldn't.

If you think for a moment that after the crap OCers had to put up with while carrying unloaded, HOLSTERED handguns was bad, and that the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia will stand for rifles and shotguns across those same peoples backs, your delusional.

They will simply outlaw that next, and in the meantime you will see long-gun OCers proned out on the streets, arrested, and have lots of very expensive guns confiscated, all in the name of public safety.

And worst yet, the state will win.

The only option California activists have now are lawsuits with the hope that either the anti OC laws, or the 'may issue' CC laws are ruled unconstitutional.
Or better yet, both.

Transitioning into long-gun carry in a state like Kaliforna will only get the "gun activist" label downgraded to extremist, or worst yet, terrorist.
 

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I feel for you folks. I fled California many years ago. My parents, both natives retired there and after a few more years decided they couldn't stay any longer and moved to Oregon.

Best of luck getting things turned around there.
 
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We here in NV applaud this bold move by Gov Moonbeam. We figure it a real advantage to those of us here in the Silver State. First we expect migration of patriots from there to here, a good thing, and the movement of our thugs from here to CA where the pickins’ is easier, an even better thing. Maybe the ultra liberal, wet your pants CA expatriates that came here in the boom years will move back to the state with a bear on its flag and we can get rid of that bad influence as well. We are just hoping that this happens before they catch on that Nevada with all its firearms is a far safer place to live and those that support such nonsense will want to move here too and bring it here with them as always seem to happen.

TBG

Yeah TBG,

You might get us to team up with you, on your fight to get Clark county to drop that registration scam
there and follow the state law.

YES ! I'm looking :) Robin47
 

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I am new to this all and it seems like when everything is getting kicked off its all about to end for the moment. Seems kinda silly to me, Law Enforcement is quoted as pushing for these new laws for officer safety. But if I were to be an officer myself I don't know if I would feel safer. Like everyone is saying people will still carry long guns. If I was an officer equipped with a handgun and a level 2 vest I would feel better facing a handgun I think if their greatest fears are realized (Rogue Lone Wolf crazy open carry nutjob) that starts firing into a crowd of kids and puppies. If that were to happen you now have a situation where the lone wolf can engage you at greater distance with tighter groups with a weapon that can deliver more cop killing kinetic energy that your level 2 body armor is not designed to stop. Why do they now feel safer ? This also does nothing to stem the tide of illegal weapons falling into the hands of criminals and renders the average honest Law Abiding citizen with absolutely no means to protect themselves. I also have serious reservations concerning the other laws passed as far as requiring long gun records to be kept on file. Always makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside knowing that the Government knows which doors to come knocking at if they so choose to declare Martial Law. Nice to know we live in a state that puts officers feelings above our basic human rights to defend ourselves.


It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good.
Thomas Jefferson
 

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I left COMMIEfornia in May, and I'm not looking back. I can open carry, and my CCW is on the way in this Shall-Issue state of Kentucky! I run into people nearly every day who open carry without incident and I haven't met a man YET who doesn't have his CCW. Ummm... That is LOADED Open Carry, not that CommieFornia sissy unloaded 'feel good' nonsense you poor patriots are forced to endure!

I honestly think CA gun owners SHOULD carry rifles, shotguns and those "evil black rifles" that scare the bejeebies out of panty-waist leftist socialist liberals. At the same time, get your money together and BYPASS the communist media and buy TV commercials that explain WHY you are doing it, and WHY the liberal's fear of handguns, long guns and the 2nd Amendment is so ridiculous!

Put your MONEY into PAID 30-second spots that inform the citizens of CA. of all of the things we all know:

Armed citizens DO NOT translate into "Wild West Shootouts in the Streets"

A law abiding citizen really CAN carry a gun into a school zone without becoming a mindless zombie powerless to resist the will of the weapon itself.

When seconds count ....

and ALL of that! Stop relying on the wimpy politicians and the far LEFT media. They are NOT in your court. BUY television spots and radio commercials and get your message out! Stop trying to change the minds of Feinstein and Boxer and Pulosi. Start working on changing the minds of the people who vote them into office!
 
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I am new to this all and it seems like when everything is getting kicked off its all about to end for the moment. Seems kinda silly to me, Law Enforcement is quoted as pushing for these new laws for officer safety. But if I were to be an officer myself I don't know if I would feel safer. Like everyone is saying people will still carry long guns. If I was an officer equipped with a handgun and a level 2 vest I would feel better facing a handgun I think if their greatest fears are realized (Rogue Lone Wolf crazy open carry nutjob) that starts firing into a crowd of kids and puppies. If that were to happen you now have a situation where the lone wolf can engage you at greater distance with tighter groups with a weapon that can deliver more cop killing kinetic energy that your level 2 body armor is not designed to stop. Why do they now feel safer ? This also does nothing to stem the tide of illegal weapons falling into the hands of criminals and renders the average honest Law Abiding citizen with absolutely no means to protect themselves. I also have serious reservations concerning the other laws passed as far as requiring long gun records to be kept on file. Always makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside knowing that the Government knows which doors to come knocking at if they so choose to declare Martial Law. Nice to know we live in a state that puts officers feelings above our basic human rights to defend ourselves.


It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good.
Thomas Jefferson

Welcome to the forum, Brent!

Looks like you "jumped in with both feet"!
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I am new to this all and it seems like when everything is getting kicked off its all about to end for the moment. Seems kinda silly to me, Law Enforcement is quoted as pushing for these new laws for officer safety. But if I were to be an officer myself I don't know if I would feel safer. Like everyone is saying people will still carry long guns. If I was an officer equipped with a handgun and a level 2 vest I would feel better facing a handgun I think if their greatest fears are realized (Rogue Lone Wolf crazy open carry nutjob) that starts firing into a crowd of kids and puppies. If that were to happen you now have a situation where the lone wolf can engage you at greater distance with tighter groups with a weapon that can deliver more cop killing kinetic energy that your level 2 body armor is not designed to stop. Why do they now feel safer ? This also does nothing to stem the tide of illegal weapons falling into the hands of criminals and renders the average honest Law Abiding citizen with absolutely no means to protect themselves. I also have serious reservations concerning the other laws passed as far as requiring long gun records to be kept on file. Always makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside knowing that the Government knows which doors to come knocking at if they so choose to declare Martial Law. Nice to know we live in a state that puts officers feelings above our basic human rights to defend ourselves.


It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good.
Thomas Jefferson


brent- that's an illogical statement....the citizens abiding by the law, and OCing an unloaded handgun are NOT the criminals who are shooting at the cops. so, when they start OCing rifles and other long guns, they STILL will NOT be shooting at the police.

see where i'm going with this....?
 
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You Californians are hardcore.

While the entire state (in the governmental sense) is completely off its rocker, the people that live there have to be some of the most ingenius people I know.

The state and its politicians keep tightening the noose of laws tighter and tighter, and the people just keep coming up with new and improved ways to keep on breathing.

KEEP UP THE FIGHT CALIFORNIANS!

I absolutely love the fact that the government is trying it's damnedest to screw the people out of their freedom, and the people keep coming up with the most wonderful ways of turning those attempts to screw them into backfiring. The fact is: California is piling laws upon laws that have been piled on previous laws that were already on top of other laws while adding more laws....

.....and having them shoved right back in their face by folks who pay so close attention that the folks who are supposed to be screwed by those laws end up more familiar, more knowledgeable, and have a better understanding of those laws that the idiots who are throwing them out there with indiscriminate abandon.

California OC'ers are obviously well prepared for B.S. I think the state is completely missing an unintended consequence of their shenanigans. Don't you think that haphazardly tossing new laws around like candy is subtly "training" California OC'ers how to become extremely proficient at dealing with B.S.?

You know that, after making the fools look stupid for not banning long gun OC, they're only going to ban that next.

I have many ideas about how to foil that idiocy. But rather than offer those suggestions, I'll just save them until they do ban long gun OC. No sense in offering any anti reading this a window into any loopholes.

Best of luck to you California. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
 

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By now, the majority have read those law enforcement memoranda and training bulletins, wherein gun owners who participate in handgun open carry public events have been accused of attempting to "provoke" a police response. Such events have obviously caused much indigestion in law enforcement circles.

Will long gun open carry public events result in such a high degree of acid reflux that LGOC will also be banned ? The evidence would suggest so.

But what would really cause law enforcement to s**t little green apples would be an announced event, media invited, where only two people show up openly carrying unloaded long guns, but seven to ten are carrying locked (or lockable) cases of various dimensions and construction.

Is there a handgun in that case?

Or is it a soldering gun?

Or binoculars?

Or FRS/GMRS radios?

Without either consent, probable cause or a warrant, guess the officer or deputy will never know.

Of course, we can probably expect yet another memorandum to be issued, with this one speculating that lockable case carriers are attempting to "provoke" a police response.

Ah, California.
 

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Our federal and state governments were all instituted by constitutional adoption/ratification.

Such instituted governments are by their very nature predatory beasts, thus the adopted constitutions serve as cages intended to confine the predatory propensities of governments.

A predatory beast will persist in its attempts to defeat the cage - constantly probing for weaknesses in order to expand the boundaries of its confinement.

The state and federal courts- themselves part of the beast's anatomy - only serve to conceal the effort to escape the confines of the cage.

When the beast has escaped the confines of its cage the people must be the final judges of "constitutionality".
 

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I am new to this all and it seems like when everything is getting kicked off its all about to end for the moment. Seems kinda silly to me, Law Enforcement is quoted as pushing for these new laws for officer safety. But if I were to be an officer myself I don't know if I would feel safer. Like everyone is saying people will still carry long guns. If I was an officer equipped with a handgun and a level 2 vest I would feel better facing a handgun I think if their greatest fears are realized (Rogue Lone Wolf crazy open carry nutjob) that starts firing into a crowd of kids and puppies. If that were to happen you now have a situation where the lone wolf can engage you at greater distance with tighter groups with a weapon that can deliver more cop killing kinetic energy that your level 2 body armor is not designed to stop. Why do they now feel safer ? This also does nothing to stem the tide of illegal weapons falling into the hands of criminals and renders the average honest Law Abiding citizen with absolutely no means to protect themselves. I also have serious reservations concerning the other laws passed as far as requiring long gun records to be kept on file. Always makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside knowing that the Government knows which doors to come knocking at if they so choose to declare Martial Law. Nice to know we live in a state that puts officers feelings above our basic human rights to defend ourselves.


It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good.
Thomas Jefferson

Why carry a .308?.....



Better vest penetration! (not anti-cop, just anti vest.)
 

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By now, the majority have read those law enforcement memoranda and training bulletins, wherein gun owners who participate in handgun open carry public events have been accused of attempting to "provoke" a police response. Such events have obviously caused much indigestion in law enforcement circles.

Will long gun open carry public events result in such a high degree of acid reflux that LGOC will also be banned ? The evidence would suggest so.

But what would really cause law enforcement to s**t little green apples would be an announced event, media invited, where only two people show up openly carrying unloaded long guns, but seven to ten are carrying locked (or lockable) cases of various dimensions and construction.

Is there a handgun in that case?

Or is it a soldering gun?

Or binoculars?

Or FRS/GMRS radios?

Without either consent, probable cause or a warrant, guess the officer or deputy will never know.

Of course, we can probably expect yet another memorandum to be issued, with this one speculating that lockable case carriers are attempting to "provoke" a police response.

Ah, California.

This is an excellent idea!

Folks who OC seem to be a little apprehensive about bringing a 12013 suit. I wonder: how would a person stopped and searched for "officer safety" when they aren't even in posession of a firearm come out in a lawsuit? If, say, one or two folks carried an obvious UOC firearm, and 15 others carried a cell phone in a covered holster of some sort, how would a lawsuit for illegal search and siezure pan out? They don't have to show probable cause for a search of your firearm, but what if you didn't even have a firearm? Wouldn't that be illegal search and seizure? 12031 only applies to searches of firearms, correct?

The argument would be that they would be searching for "officer safety" because they reasonably thought you were in posession of a firearm, but....

...carrying a firearm isn't against the law, in and of itself, right? How would they argue that their 12031 check of your firearm isn't unconstitutional when you don't even posess a firearm? (In a nutshell: Are 12031 checks constitutional for people who don't carry firearms?)
 
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