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Uber driver shoots, kills passenger in Denver

solus

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Police: Uber driver shoots, kills passenger on Denver interstate 25

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...r-shoots-kills-passenger-on-denver-interstate

The shooting occurred a little before 3 a.m. on Interstate 25 near University Boulevard.


Police said the driver shot the passenger, an adult male, multiple times after getting into some kind of altercation inside the vehicle. According to emergency dispatch communications, the driver called 911 to report the shooting.


Officers on the scene attempted to perform CPR on the passenger but the man was pronounced dead at the hospital.


Neither the driver nor the passenger has been identified. Police said the driver is being interviewed at the police department headquarters. unquote

well this should be interesting for those drivers working for uber and their carrying firearms!
 

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Isn't it Uber's company policy to bar their drivers from carrying, even if they have a CCP? :confused:
 

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How would they do that?

It's easy to do it. They just say, "You're fired.", delete the driver from the Uber list of official Uber drivers, remove their name and contact info from the app, stop paying them and they are done. It is just like most crimes; there is no way to stop them, but you can make the people that do it pay a price. Now, if the state this happened in has some legal protection for people in their own vehicle and/or protection against employers that do these kinds of things, the driver/shooter may have some recourse to collect damages for these actions, but there is no way to keep them from doing it, as long as the employer is willing to pay the price, if there is one. The employee has to be willing to do his part and follow through in the courts. Many won't do that.
 
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Isn't it Uber's company policy to bar their drivers from carrying, even if they have a CCP? :confused:

How would they do that?


It's easy to do it. They just say, "You're fired.", delete the driver from the Uber list of official Uber drivers, remove their name and contact info from the app, stop paying them and they are done. ........snipped...... but there is no way to keep them from doing it, as long as the employer is willing to pay the price, if there is one.
IMO the driver is not barred but punished after the fact.
 

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IMO the driver is not barred but punished after the fact.


Uber doesn't say that you can't carry a gun in the car while working for Uber. They only say that if you do that, you will be fired. The ban on carrying is just a policy. We can't stop anybody from doing anything. We can only make the punishment so harsh that they are detered from doing it. Uber does this by firing the employee. If there is a state law that prohibits that firing, the employee can use it in an effort to deter Uber the next time. Uber has no hesitation when using their penalty. Employees often do fail to punish the employer, hense the employeer is not detered from violating such laws.

The only way they could enforce it absolutely would be to search every car and every driver, every time when they get in the car. Since Uber never sees most of these drivers, that would be hard to do and so expensive so as to make the entire busines model unworkable. My point was that no law can completely stop the employer from firing an employee over this type of activity. You can only punish the employers that do it. If they are willing to pay the price, they can do it over and over. If the emploee won't do their part to see that they are punished, the employer can violate the law with impunity.
 

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Isn't it Uber's company policy to bar their drivers from carrying, even if they have a CCP? :confused:

How would they do that?


It's easy to do it. They just say, "You're fired.", delete the driver from the Uber list of official Uber drivers, remove their name and contact info from the app, stop paying them and they are done. It is just like most crimes; there is no way to stop them, but you can make the people that do it pay a price. Now, if the state this happened in has some legal protection for people in their own vehicle and/or protection against employers that do these kinds of things, the driver/shooter may have some recourse to collect damages for these actions, but there is no way to keep them from doing it, as long as the employer is willing to pay the price, if there is one. The employee has to be willing to do his part and follow through in the courts. Many won't do that.

IMO the driver is not barred but punished after the fact.
Actually, if the Uber driver is fired for any reason, the involuntary termination may, as Gutshot II says, effectively preclude (or bar) future Uber employment. It's difficult to imagine a scenario wherein an employer would be enjoined from terminating an employee for killing a customer. Such employee conduct can't be good for business.
 
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Uber doesn't say that you can't carry a gun in the car while working for Uber. They only say that if you do that, you will be fired. The ban on carrying is just a policy. We can't stop anybody from doing anything. We can only make the punishment so harsh that they are detered from doing it. Uber does this by firing the employee. If there is a state law that prohibits that firing, the employee can use it in an effort to deter Uber the next time. Uber has no hesitation when using their penalty. Employees often do fail to punish the employer, hense the employeer is not detered from violating such laws.

The only way they could enforce it absolutely would be to search every car and every driver, every time when they get in the car. Since Uber never sees most of these drivers, that would be hard to do and so expensive so as to make the entire busines model unworkable. My point was that no law can completely stop the employer from firing an employee over this type of activity. You can only punish the employers that do it. If they are willing to pay the price, they can do it over and over. If the emploee won't do their part to see that they are punished, the employer can violate the law with impunity.

Does Uber actually use the word 'fired' that makes the service an employee, employer service, which could force them to pay social security for the drivers, and force them to provide unemployment insurance. I would more likely believe they terminate the contract.
 

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Actually, if the Uber driver is fired for any reason, the involuntary termination may, as Gutshot II says, effectively preclude (or bar) future Uber employment. It's difficult to imagine a scenario wherein an employer would be enjoined from terminating an employee for killing a customer. Such employee conduct can't be good for business.

Are you suggesting that it would be better for an employee to let an attacker kill them so as not to harm the employer's business.
 

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Good heavens, everyone’s access to the internet fail...thank goodness access still does exists in rural Eastern NC...

Actually gutshot, et al., Uber does mandate no firearms for their drivers AND passengers er riders!

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Uber Firearms Prohibition Policy
Our goal is to ensure that everyone has a safe and reliable ride. That's why Uber prohibits riders and drivers from carrying firearms of any kind in a vehicle while using our app.*

Anyone who violates this policy may lose access to Uber.

* To the extent permitted by applicable law.

https://www.uber.com/legal/policies/firearms-prohibition-policy/en/


Notice Uber doesn’t use the word ‘fired’ or ‘terminated’ whatsoever they MAY take an individual’s [driver or passenger] access to their app away.
 
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Uber driver who shot passenger arrested in murder investigation, police say.

Driver Michael Hancock, 29, was arrested Friday on a charge of first-degree murder, police tweeted.
 

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Good heavens, everyone’s access to the internet fail...thank goodness access still does exists in rural Eastern NC...

Actually gutshot, et al., Uber does mandate no firearms for their drivers AND passengers er riders!

Legal

Uber Firearms Prohibition Policy
Our goal is to ensure that everyone has a safe and reliable ride. That's why Uber prohibits riders and drivers from carrying firearms of any kind in a vehicle while using our app.*

Anyone who violates this policy may lose access to Uber.

* To the extent permitted by applicable law.

https://www.uber.com/legal/policies/firearms-prohibition-policy/en/


Notice Uber doesn’t use the word ‘fired’ or ‘terminated’ whatsoever they MAY take an individual’s [driver or passenger] access to their app away.

But did Uber actually tell the driver in question he was fired? That I/we don't know, if they did it could cost them billions in the social security payments they do not pay now. The drivers have to pay the full payments on their taxes, Uber will have to reimburse them for half of the total amount. It would be devastating to Uber.
 

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"According to the arrest affidavit, a 911 caller says the Uber driver told him the passenger tried to attack him, so he shot him."

That's the only mention in the nearly three minute video that the Uber driver might have had a valid reason to shoot his passenger. The rest of the article paints him out to be a very bad person, as if three speeding tickets over the last 9 years is somehow a horrifying record. The Denver police are making him out to be some kind of madman. Uber distances itself with its typically brain-dead liberal no firearms aka "gun-free zone" firearms policy.

The next video to the right is 5 minutes of talking with the police representative. That's a far more objective video than the crap posted by "The Denver Channel."
 

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To take a guess, and just a guess. The shooter immediately sought medical help, maybe he needed it, or he wanted to get away from being pressured to answer questions until an attorney was present. Once he had time to cool down in the hospital, and after release he used his option to keep his big mouth shut until represented by an attorney. This probably ticked off the officers a little resulting in the immediate arrest, instead of waiting to complete an investigation. If it turns out this is a true self defense case, and they go forward, the prosecutor could end up looking like an idiot.


As I suspected http://www.wkrn.com/news/police-ube...s-passenger-on-colorado-interstate/1217123857

However, a partially redacted police report says driver Michael Andre Hancock, 29, declined to talk to investigators without a lawyer present about the shooting on Interstate 25 just before 3 a.m.
 
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Colorado, Denver is not a bastion of 2A support.

Colorado, Aurora...well, we know about the cops in Aurora.

I suspect that cops in Denver are not as sympathetic to self defense acts by a member of the great unwashed masses.

However, if one of their own were the focus, as is the Uber driver, their viewpoint would be completely different...er, I mean, more sympathetic.
 

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DenverPost, 1 June took potshot at Uber as well as stereotyping the driver in their initial [only] article, quote

Last year, Colorado regulators fined Uber $8.9 million for allowing 57 people with past criminal or motor vehicle offenses to drive for the company. The state’s Public Utilities Commission said the drivers should have been disqualified. The state said the drivers had issues ranging from felony convictions to driving under the influence and reckless driving. In some cases, drivers were working with revoked, suspended or canceled licenses, the state said. A similar investigation of smaller competitor Lyft found no violations.

Glad the driver invoked this right for an attorney to be present.


 
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