Then you are no different than they.
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Rally for the Second Amendment April 14th nationwide
- Thread starter Yetiman
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Then you are no different than they.
Don't try to get them to change their mind, because like you said, you won't. Instead, support their beliefs that align with yours. Engage in dialogue without the purpose of pursuading them. You know, be friendly to them. Help them understand you're not a "gun nut", you're just a citizen who loves liberty. You can't sell to the unsellable. But that doesn't mean you can't engage with them and earn their respect. In the long run, that's the only possibility of getting them to evolve on the issue. Might as well try.
Reagan had some liberal in his background, fan of FDR. WND's Farah used to be a Marxist. Newsmax's Ruddy somehow became a buddy of Bill Clinton. The line between the two sides is a bit permeable.
People do change parties sometimes. Do vote outside the party sometimes. Do change minds sometimes. Undeniable fact, well documented.
But identity politics and peer pressure does make it hard to change people. Right now being liberal has a lot of life and career perks too. Some know you're right but they don't want to lose those perks.
People do change parties sometimes. Do vote outside the party sometimes. Do change minds sometimes. Undeniable fact, well documented.
But identity politics and peer pressure does make it hard to change people. Right now being liberal has a lot of life and career perks too. Some know you're right but they don't want to lose those perks.
CJ4wd
Regular Member
You can try to be friendly but I have found in my dealings with these LWWs that they doen't even want to associate with people like us.
They will never believe the first part and far too many of them are willing to, or already have, surrender their "liberty" and don't trust those who try to preserve it as the Constitution and Founders meant it to be used.
Again, we have nothing they want and, being "different" from them, they will NEVER "respect" us. It is a waste of time, money, and effort on our part which would be better spent preventing their Machiavellian plans.
color of law
Accomplished Advocate
^^^^^yes, what he said above^^^^^^especially when using big words^^^^^^
Shades of a Planet of the Apes’ script.
since9
Campaign Veteran
since9
Campaign Veteran
Never. It's a simple, straightforward litmus test. If a candidate is clueless about "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed," how am I supposed to trust them on any Constitutional matter, much less federal law?
It's nice to know we agree on that issue.
color of law
Accomplished Advocate
In effect, waist deep in shi........
hopeless attitude. you sound like their side. thanks for proving my point.
i'll be there
Well Milady (& hammer if in the Va area) if you wish to go, I have been known to spring for lunch/mid-afternoon snack or whatever...
alas tis your backyard so pm where to meet up and such.
in florida*
JTHunter2
Regular Member
Why "hopeless"? It amounts to devoting our time and resources fighting the fires we have a chance of winning. If we can change a few minds along the way, it is likely because those people are NOT the "kool-aid drinkers" that are the zealots of their side.
what do you mean why? read his post and see all the negativity and hoplessness in his text.
CJ4wd
Regular Member
It wasn't meant as "hopeless" but a simple statement of facts. the "diehard adherents ", those that are so "dyed-in-the-wool" that they can't even consider anybody else having an opinion different than theirs. These people are a waste of time and effort to change their minds, so I would prefer to work on those that are less certain in their convictions. Those are the people that might change their minds. I'm too old to waste what time I have left talking to a brick wall. :banghead:
Raising my hand in the back...
Why hasn’t anybody ask the question on who instituted this event?
“The NCCPA is a coalition of various Patriot groups who have come together to unify our ideals and diligently work together to uphold the Constitution.”
Who are these various patriotic groups comprising nccpa?
what are the core ideals?
who is working together? (Let’s see, TXOCT?, GRNC? uh maybe VDLC? perhaps the Buckeye groups? ~ who is actually working together?)
Goodness sake, the gun wearing groups are worse than the HS’rs as they jumped on the mythical bandwagons without hesitation.
Why hasn’t anybody ask the question on who instituted this event?
“The NCCPA is a coalition of various Patriot groups who have come together to unify our ideals and diligently work together to uphold the Constitution.”
Who are these various patriotic groups comprising nccpa?
what are the core ideals?
who is working together? (Let’s see, TXOCT?, GRNC? uh maybe VDLC? perhaps the Buckeye groups? ~ who is actually working together?)
Goodness sake, the gun wearing groups are worse than the HS’rs as they jumped on the mythical bandwagons without hesitation.
JustaShooter
Regular Member
Great question. I can't speak for the rest, but nobody even contacted OFCC or Ohio Carry until a couple of weeks ago, well after plans for our annual Patriots Day rally on April 21st were well underway. They certainly weren't working with us.
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